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Hello and welcome to another episode of The Bearded Mystic Podcast and I'm your host Rahul N Singh.
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Thank you for joining today and taking out the time to either watch or listen to this podcast episode.
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Today we will be continuing on with the series Wisdom of the Mystics.
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As you know, last month we looked at the teachings of Mirabai Ji, and today we will be looking at the teachings of Gorakh Nath Ji, who is a popular poet as well.
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We have looked at quite a few of the bhakti poets, although Gorakh Nath Ji is more of a sanyasi than a householder, but there's something to learn even from them and to see how they interpret the world and how we need to possibly be inspired by some elements of what they say.
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Ultimately, everyone's talking about that ultimate destination, and I've mentioned this in many other podcasts, that there are many ways in order to approach the peak of the mountain.
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Some are longer routes, some are more arduous, some are easier, some require a little bit more help, some require more attention, more focus, some just require good company.
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So it really depends and the main thing is that you just got to reach the peak.
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So this is the whole point of the Wisdom of the Mystics series, it's not about You know, proving that one religion is better than others, or one religion has the most amount of mystics.
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This is just based on my regional understanding, hence I gravitate towards more of the Indian mystics.
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But, there's a lot to learn from everybody.
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This is the 24th episode, so that means that, you know, we've been doing this series for two years and it's been one of the, my favorite series because it allows me to learn from different perspectives and., it's really great that we get to celebrate this two year anniversary of Wisdom of the Mystics and we'll start off with Gorakh Ji.
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His first poem, he says, No Vedas, no holy book, no speeches, no sermons, they will all mask the truth.
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The word shines high in the firmament, there the Vijnani sees the unseen.
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He says no vedas, no holy book, making it very clear that, yes, it's important to have the vedas, it's important to have a holy book, but what's more important?
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What's more important?
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Is it the actual truth or the book which holds the truth?
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Remember the book holds the truth.
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It is not the truth.
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The truth is always an experience, it's something practical, something that you can actually taste.
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A book tells you about the taste, now if I tell you that sugar is sweet, that's just something that is stated.
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But if you taste sugar, and you then understand that, actually, you know what?
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Sugar is sweet.
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I understand what sweetness is now.
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Now, sweetness no longer becomes something you've read about, but something you experience.
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So, likewise, no Vedas, no holy book, no speeches, no sermons.
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They all mask the truth.
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So the Vedas, even though they speak of the truth, but you can easily get lost in them.
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For example, you can start just looking at the mantras and you can maybe looking at the incantations, the spells, the, the other aspects of it.
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You can see supporting the old Vedic gods, where today those Vedic gods aren't necessarily worshipped.
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That doesn't mean that tomorrow they may not be worshipped.
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They could well be, but they're no longer worshipped.
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Some of the practices, the karmakand portion, half of it's not even practiced anymore, and it's not relatable.
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So, we've got to understand that they mask the truth.
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What's the truth in the Vedas is obviously the Upanishads, because that's the philosophical portions, but there's other aspects which may also be the truth, but the thing is, we can easily get lost.
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There's no holy book, and in general, any holy book, whether it's the Puranas, the Gita, the Quran, the Bible, any, any of them, you know, any holy book, they can also mask the truth because sometimes we become defenders of the book instead of Defenders of the truth.
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Now, truth and the book will always be different.
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The book is just that, those pages that contain the ideas of truth.
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But truth is something that takes you beyond the words of the page.
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And that's why Gorakh Nath ji is talking in that manner.
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And he says no speeches.
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You can listen to a thousand podcasts.
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I can record a thousand podcasts.
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Will it get me closer to the truth.
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No, only if I talk of the truth is there some element, but I know I'm already in a losing battle.
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Every author knows they're in a losing battle when they're talking about the truth.
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They know that the truth is something that is only understood when it's experienced.
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So it does mask the truth.
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sermons, as you know, although we don't listen to many sermons, I like the, you know, one hour, two hour lectures and stuff like that, I'm quite boring like that, but it's It's all interesting and for me, yeah, do they talk of the truth all the time?
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No, you know, you have to kind of go around the subject, make it appealing.
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So it really depends on the person and, and whether they can talk directly to the truth.
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But there are some times when, you know, we've done this, when we record in the podcast where something is felt, something unique is experienced in the moment and an element of the truth is there, that we cannot deny.
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And this happens.
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Then it's not about the words that are spoken or the words that are heard, it's more about what is it that's here right now that's undeniable, that's so direct that it cannot be denied.
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So that's another thing we need to understand is, yes, they may all mask the truth, but the truth can never be masked.
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Just understand this, the truth is always shining bright, it's self illumination, it's self luminous, it doesn't require any external light to shine on it, the truth is always complete, but what we can do is put veils in front of that truth, in front of that light, and therefore people do not see what the truth is.
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Then he ends with, the word shines high in the firmament, there the vijnani sees the unseen.
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So high in firmament means in bliss.
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So the word shines high in bliss.
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When we're in bliss, when we're in ananda, when we are happy, when we're truly happy, as I mentioned my guru always says bliss is true happiness that is beyond the senses.
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So the word meaning the gyan, the actual truth, that shines high in bliss.
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So when you're in bliss, You experience it when you're in dukkha, when you're in, uh, the play of dukkha and sukkha comfort and pain and discomfort, then you can't be in truth, our mind doesn't get there, our mind becomes more heavy in those problems and this is what happens when we have problems in life and we allow them to grow and we allow them to take over our mind, we notice that we become less spiritual.
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Nobody ever becomes more spiritual, they can become more religious, but not spiritual, if they are in pain.
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If you're in happiness, and you then think of the truth, it's much easier.
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All we have to do is get ourselves that place of bliss, how do we do that?
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Understand who we are, we are this atma, we are not the body, we are not the mind Then he says, there the Vigyani sees the unseen So Vigyani here means, the one who lives in the knowledge, who is in awareness.
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So there the Vigyani sees the unseen.
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What's the unseen?
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This Brahman, this Nirgun Brahman, this formless awareness.
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That which we cannot deny and again, just imagine you're in, or not even imagine, bring yourself to the experience right now where you're in Ananda, when you're truly happy And then, you can then see the unseen.
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You can then try to put Nirguna Brahman in front of you, put the formless awareness in front of you, be aware of the formless awareness, be aware of Nirguna Brahman, and there, you will hit the spot where you then see the unseen.
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It's literally as easy as that.
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Now, I've explained, if you watch it on video, you see how I've gone through that process, and if you've heard me, you've heard me use the words, but this is done in silence, without words, you know, without me explaining it, and that's how we do it.
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Let's go to the second one, this is a very nice one, we may enjoy this.
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He says, laugh, play, and live joyfully.
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Have nothing to do with lust or anger.
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Laugh, play, sing your song, and keep your mind steady.
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I like Gorakh Nath Ji.
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He has a very, cool way and very calm way of presenting spirituality.
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Very playful.
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And spirituality is meant to be playful.
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Here he says laugh, play and live joyfully.
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This is very important.
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How many people we see who are spiritual but they're so somber, so serious, there isn't much life in them.
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And you have some who, they are full of laughter, they're playful, they're telling jokes, they're living joyfully, they're being happy in the moment.
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They don't need any other special moment to be happy.
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They don't need some spiritual insight to be happy.
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They're just happy being themselves and that is what it's all about.
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Laugh.
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It's very important to laugh.
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It's very important to take some time out and just watch a good comedy or just laugh at a joke.
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Don't be so serious.
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And play.
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You know, laughter can be spiritual.
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Play.
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Be joyful with life.
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Play with life.
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Don't take it so seriously.
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Don't take your life so seriously that you miss the joy that can be lived right now while you anticipate a joyful future.
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It's very important that we do that, so live joyfully, as it says, play and live joyfully.
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For example.
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I think kids are a great reminder of how to be in the present moment and just enjoy playing around.
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Same with like animals, like dogs especially.
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They tell you to be in the moment.
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Play.
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They don't know about how to be serious with life.
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They just want to enjoy.
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And I think that's what we need to learn to do is keep that inner child awake.
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Don't let that sleep.
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Laugh, play and live joyfully.
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This is spiritual.
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Absolutely spiritual.
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If you're spiritual This is what you're experiencing And then it says have nothing to do with lust and anger So lust in the sense of not just lusting after other people.
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But even other desires and items And things that other people have Now if you do not act upon those things and you allow that lust to grow It brings in anger What Gorakh Nath Ji really is talking about here is that have nothing to do with those things.
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If they appear in your life put them to the side and just laugh and live joyfully.
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We only have lust and anger if we feel that something is missing in our life.
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Is there anything missing in our life?
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Are we really missing anything?
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What truly means that you're missing in life, is it because you didn't get the Lamborghini, or you didn't get the five bedroom house, or you didn't get the holiday you wanted, the vacation you wanted, is that what's going to make you progress spiritually?
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No.
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Those things don't help us spiritually.
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When we do not have those things, then we have anger.
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We also feel jealousy for the people have it and we don't.
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So that's another reason why he says have nothing to do.
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If these things arise, just let go.
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Say, look, I love the house that I'm in now.
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It's keeping me cool, it's keeping me warm, it's protecting me from the weather outside, I'm able to do my tasks in the house, I have a car, I'm able to go from A to B, little things like that, we can be content and happy.
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And that's spirituality.
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And then he continues to say, laugh, play, sing your song, you know, sing your song, be happy, you don't just sing in the shower, sing everywhere, and, or just remember the Lord's name, and that's why he says, and keep your mind steady.
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As long as you have your mind steady, you can laugh, play, and live joyfully.
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There will be no problem.
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When you keep your mind still, steady upon this truth, you forever are in joy.
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You are forever in happiness and bliss.
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Let's go to the third quote.
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Some of us may have heard this before.
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It's a very popular poem.
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Laugh, play and keep meditating.
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Day and night declare the divine wisdom.
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Laughing and praying don't divert your mind.
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Motionless, always in the company of Nath.
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So first of all, laugh, play and keep meditating.
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We know about laughing, we know about play.
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Now, keep meditating he says, but I would add to that.
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Make sure laughter and play is part of your meditation.
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Don't make it so serious, like I said.
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Meditate joyfully, meditate playfully, meditate with laughter.
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You know, if you have a bad meditation, laugh about it.
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Don't take it so seriously.
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This is something we can do.
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And then it says, day and night, declare the divine wisdom.
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If you have the divine wisdom, you're going to continuously meditate anyway.
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Once you know this divine wisdom that there is only Brahman, there is only this ultimate reality, there is nothing else Then you will automatically meditate, what else is there to meditate upon other than your own self Even to say to meditate on empty mind or emptiness, that's still an object So he says day and night declare the divine wisdom.
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Day and night, just keep on remembering the Lord's name, that is the divine wisdom.
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Be aware of awareness, be aware of formless awareness, that is divine wisdom, that is that declaration.
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And if you have that declaration, if you have that in your life, you're going to be laughing, you're going to be playing, and you're going to keep on meditating, and you'll be living joyfully.
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This is what life is all about.
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Don't take it so seriously.
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That's what I would say.
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He says, laugh, play and keep meditating.
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Day and night, declare the divine wisdom.
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That's what we need to do.
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That's what we need to bring ourselves to go closer towards.
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It's an aim to have.
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If a lot of people took spirituality simply for what it is, they'll have a lot more joy.
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They'd be much happier, because then it's not so goal oriented.
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Don't make spirituality goal oriented, make it a terrain that you have to discover.
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Make it a mountain that you have to discover.
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And that every side of the mountain has its own beauty.
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And you just have to discover it.
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Then you have laughing and playing, don't divert your mind, motionless, always in the company of Nath.
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So company of Nath is the company of the Sampradaya that he was from, the Nath Sampradaya And most importantly, it's talking about keeping the company of the saints, keeping the company of fellow seekers who can help us in our spiritual journey.
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Uh, being part of the Bearded Mystic community.
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Whatsapp group is one way you can do this as well, where we talk about spirituality and we help each other, we guide each other.
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And here he says, laughing and playing don't divert your mind, motionless, keep your mind still, keep yourself still, and when you're in the awareness of formless awareness, do it joyfully, do it playfully, do it with laughter, with happiness, and this is what really life is about, so when you're in the company of the people that you love, that you seek spiritual wisdom from, spend time with them, and always be in that stillness, and if your mind ever tries to divert, remember, bring it back.
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Bring it back to that divine wisdom.
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Hence it says in the beginning, day and night, declare the divine wisdom.
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This has to be the way we see our lives, that it's all about being in the divine wisdom.
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It's all about remembering the divine name.
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It's all about being aware of formless awareness.
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I cannot emphasize this enough, and again do it with laughter, do it playfully, do it joyfully, that's the way we need to do.
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Now the fourth poem, Some debate, some argue.
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A yogi shouldn't argue.
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Just as the 68 rivers flow into the ocean, the yogi burns with the guru's word.
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So this is a very interesting poem.
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So he says some debate, some argue, a yogi shouldn't argue.
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Why shouldn't a yogi argue?
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It's something to think about.
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Why would a yogi not argue?
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Isn't a yogi a practitioner of the truth?
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Isn't a yogi someone that is always focused on the truth?
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Isn't a yogi someone who's meant to only talk about the truth?
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This is something to think about.
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He says some debate, some argue.
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So he's not saying not to debate.
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He's saying debate is okay.
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And he says some argue.
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There's a fine line between debating and arguing.
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Debating is when you're exploring the idea.
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Argument then becomes personal.
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You have a personal vendetta to make sure that person becomes wrong.
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Instead of the idea being the victor.
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Being the victorious element of it.
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He's saying here a yogi shouldn't argue.
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A yogi should never go personal.
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It should always be about debate of ideas and that's it.
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And if you notice that's something that I've really tried to do when I used to be on TikTok and, I don't think I've ever had so much of a, a YouTube, kind of debate.
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But, although I have asked some Hare Krishnas, if they would be willing to discuss their ideology with me, that hasn't moved forward.
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But, yeah, a yogi shouldn't argue.
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We shouldn't go personal and attack the person.
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But we should always look at the idea.
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And debate the idea.
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So, debate whether Advaita is correct, debate whether non duality is correct, debate whether Vishistha Advaita is correct.
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Debate all we must, but we should never go down to the level of criticizing the person.
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It becomes ugly and you see people do this and those people tend to, we end up finding them annoying eventually because how much How much of cussing another person can you hear?
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It's gonna, it's gonna become boring at some point.
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Debating ideas is always interesting because you find different arguments or points that people make and you're like, I didn't even think of this or wow, that's a unique perspective.
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So that's something also that we can find.
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Then he says, just as the 68 rivers flow into the ocean, the yogi burns with the guru's word.
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So this is very beautiful.
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We know that all rivers flow into the ocean, and that's normally understood.
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You have a small river, at the end of the day, then it becomes a vast.
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So he says here, the yogi burns with the Guru's word.
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Same way, when the yogi hears of the Guru's word, which is Brahm Gyan, which is this absolute truth.
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Once you listen to this, the yogi then burns.
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What burns?
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The ego burns.
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The small ego burns and enters into that vast awareness.
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And when that vast awareness is experienced, you come to a place of stillness.
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You remember the Guru's word, which is this Brahm Gyan.
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You settle yourself in that Brahm Gyan continuously, allowing every element, every atom of your ego to be burnt And slowly, slowly, slowly, you then just merge yourself into this vastness Not that you merge, you realise how vast you truly were and how limited you confined yourself.
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Now you find yourself limitless, beyond reach, beyond boundary.
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That's where you are.
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So the yogi burns with the Guru's word and that's truly what happens.
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The, this Brahm Gyan, it really inspires us to go deeper.
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It inspires us to go deeper into our faith, deeper into the experience of what that Gyan is telling us about, which is Brahman, this ultimate truth.
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Then we don't simply just say, Aham Brahmasmi as some Statement, it's an experience that is experiencing and there's no persona that is attached to that and that's what a yogi does.
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Then the fifth poem.
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He speaks the unspoken, holds the mind in emptiness, restrains the five senses, he sacrifices his body in the divine fire Mahadev bows to his feet.
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This is very interesting.