Unveiling the Mysteries of Oneness with Neil Bakshi: A Journey through Eastern Wisdom and Spiritual Realization

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Hello everyone, welcome to Oneness Conversations and I'm here today with Neil Bakshi and we're going to be learning a lot from him.

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Now I've listened to a lot of his interviews, watched a few of his interviews and they have been quite insightful.

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But I'm going to be asking him questions, which maybe he's been asked before, maybe you haven't.

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But it's about learning more and I'm excited to have this conversation with you.

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How you doing Neil?

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Nice to have you on.

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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I'm doing great.

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Thank you for having me on Rahul.

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I'm excited to be here.

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I, I have so much I think we can dive into and explore and I'm excited to share some cool things with you as well.

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So I'd love to get into it and just talk about an amazing conversation on oneness because I think that it's something you and I both really connect to and come from a different angle probably and it all links back into the same.

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Singularity in which it's from, so hopefully the listeners can get a couple golden nuggets out of it too.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I'm sure they will.

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I'm sure they will.

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and I just want to give a shout out to Vinay Mehtaji who, introduced us.

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I'm glad he did.

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so just want to give him a thank you.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Sec.

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Second that shout out, Vinay, you are, you are an angel in and of yourself, so thank you.

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So

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I want to know what paved the way for spirituality to enter into your life?

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Were you born into a spiritual family or is it something that you've ended up cultivating as time has gone on?

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Okay.

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very grateful and very blessed to be born into a family that had really raised me on spirituality.

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So, um, my mom grew up and both my parents grew up in India.

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They moved to the U.

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S.

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and my mom really grew up in the Sikh tradition and eventually, um, sort of in 1992, actually when I was born, my dad joined a path called Self Realization Fellowship which was created by Paramahansa Yogananda, an Indian guru who came to the US in 1920 to basically teach scientific yogic techniques of meditation in the West.

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And so my dad joined that path and very soon after, my mom joined him on that path.

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And I actually was born, uh, or rather raised meditating since the age of five.

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And so they would really take me to the meditation chapel, teach me meditation at home.

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And so it was, um, I was very entrenched in, in that aspect of spirituality.

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And, um, that, that's really how I how I grew up.

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Oh, nice.

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So, your mom was from a Sikh background.

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How did she marry up the teachings of Paramhamsa Yogananda Ji and obviously Guru Nanak Dev Ji and how did that play?

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That's quite interesting.

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Yeah, it is.

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And so, it's so interesting because my dad actually says one of the greatest things he was attracted to in my mom was her spirituality and her, her, she would go to the Gurdwara regularly, really pray.

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And it was, um, it was one of my dad's favorite parts of my mom.

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And so she was really, she really would pray every morning before going to work.

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And, and she was a, a high powered woman in, in, in what she did.

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She worked in healthcare finance and, um, it's, it's amazing.

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But she, she married it up because I think Yogananda's teachings are quite universal and inclusive because all of his teachings actually link the Bhagavad Gita to the Bible and he's basically saying what they're saying in this Gita commentary is this, what they're saying in this Bible verse is this, they actually are saying the exact same thing.

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And so he brings a level of connection and so what he really sort of emphasizes is that there's many paths, but ultimately one truth.

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And so, he basically says, you know, it really doesn't matter what religion, or creed, or where you're from, we are all collective, global, united, it's the, he calls the united states of the world, or the united states of, of the international, or something like that.

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Where we are all this collective body, that we may have different upbringings, or roots, or belief systems, But there's ultimately many paths and one truth that leads you to divine source, union, oneness, God, whatever you want to call it.

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I do agree with that.

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It all stems from Vedanta, from the Upanishads and and all that they've taught is really, it emanates from that, and then even from the Western side, there's lots of similarities.

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Obviously there's obvious differences, we can call that diversity instead of differences, um, diversity of expression.

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I obviously I've kind of read bits of autobiography of a yogi.

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I haven't read, I read a bit and I don't know.

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I don't know if you find this, but I think I read it too late on.

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Like I wish I read it in the beginning of my journey, rather than later on, because then I found that it didn't fascinate me, the things he was talking about.

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It would have fascinated me years ago.

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I recognize that, but like it came a bit too late, I think for me.

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It always comes at divine timing, whenever you need it in your journey.

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I think he, uh, he has some amazing stories in there for sure.

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And so being raised on this path, he actually has written so much.

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It far exceeds just the, the Autobiography of a Yogi.

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He has an entire collection of writings.

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I'm like, how did someone write this before, like, within 60, less than 60 years of their life?

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Just like, you really must have been an open channel for the divine to really flow.

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He's written these like lessons that I actually get mailed to my house every two weeks and every lesson is on something different and it's on some different aspect of life and it's, it's about how to spiritualize your daily life in all aspects of life.

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And I think his, his teachings are just like, it expresses itself in many ways.

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So he has his amazing stories that he has in his autobiography, but then I think.

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The teachings also are very relevant to just how do you live a life that is allowing you to bring more sacredness into your life, or rather make your life more sacred as an offering in and of itself.

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Hmm.

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That's very interesting.

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And yeah, I agree.

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Like they've written so much.

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Like I look at Swami Vivekananda Ji and like he, he lived, I think till he was 40, maybe, maybe shy of 40, in fact.

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And yeah, he has, you know, so much.

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So much work.

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I mean, they'd really devoted their life to spirituality, like truly devoted it.

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I mean, it's incredible.

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But yeah, that's really cool.

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Yeah, and he has done, I have read bits of his work on the Bhagavad Gita.

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He's done a commentary, I think, Paramhamsa Yoganandaji and I found some of the things that he has said in there very insightful, very, well, you know, really unique, actually.

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, I'm going to go straight into the deep end here and I'm going to ask you what, uh, what is the singularity of oneness and, um, both philosophically and experientially as well?

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I love it.

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I love that you asked the experiential part of it too, um, because I have such a, such an interesting story to share on that aspect.

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So the singularity of oneness philosophically, I believe is that It starts with this aspect of, if you want to call it light or creation, but the thing is, it far transcends just what I'm able to express in words as me saying light.

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And so what I mean by that, just kind of giving you an example, is if I went to two hydrogen molecules and an oxygen molecule in the ocean, and I said, Hey, you're wet.

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They wouldn't understand what I'm saying.

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The language that I'm That I'm communicating in just does not compute with their frequency.

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They would be like, we, we are, we're, we're atoms.

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We're, we're, we're electrons.

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Like we do not understand what you, what you mean when you say we're wet.

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And so when I say that there's a singularity of consciousness, I mean it's like a, it's a zero point.

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It's, it's where there is nothing but simultaneously everything, and within that nothingness exists everything that ever was, will be, can be, but it's simultaneously nothing, and so philosophically the oneness is If you want to consider it light, let's consider it light and that light then becomes fractalized much like when you put a Prism in front of a white light you'll start to get a fractal of rainbows Well that one white light became an entire swath of colors, right?

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Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet And so similarly as it goes through this prism, it becomes more fractalized And if I put it through more prisms, it would become even more fractalized.

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And so this singularity or oneness is the aspect of creation that we are all born from.

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And there's, it goes so deep, I can talk about causal planes, or I can talk about just higher densities of existence, but ultimately this singularity becomes more and more fractalized, and as it becomes more and more fractalized, in my view, It becomes more and more dense, and with density, I mean literally dense, like there's 8 billion humans, we're very dense, opaque beings, and as you pull that fractalization back up into itself, you get back into that oneness, or that singularity, which is ultimately what I believe it an amazing aspect of what meditation is able to offer because it pulls me back into that state of basically seeing between the overlapping thoughts of the egoic illusion of Neil and coming into this space of Union, which which is the definition of yoga in and of itself.

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It's union.

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It's this feeling of union in in not just my body, but transcendent of the body.

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It's the spirit connecting back into its source.

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And another analogy I like to use is sort of, if you think about a spotlight that's shining down, let's say, on Earth.

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And this spotlight is broken up into billions of little tiny squares.

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And each one of those squares is shining down on Earth.

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And that's an individual that's, that's in a body.

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But if you look back at that spotlight, it's all from the same collective spotlight.

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We all have this spark of light within us that is from this massive emanating light.

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And so that's kind of this aspect of this oneness of singularity or consciousness that is tried to be explained in words.

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And then, um, the experiential side of it, right?

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That, that I think is, is sort of where this aspect of meditation also comes in, because we can talk about this kind of stuff until the cows come home, and we can, we can study at end about it.

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We can read so many different Philosophers or spiritualists or texts or watch videos, but I think I would never want anyone to actually just take my word for it.

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In fact, I don't think anyone should do that with anything in their life because I think the only way to actually understand something and also why we're here to live the human existence is to fully experience the breath of it, be it the breath of emotions or life situations we go to.

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And if, for example, I told you ice cream was sweet, but you never tasted ice cream, you would just be like, oh, Neil told me ice cream was sweet, so that must be sweet.

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But you wouldn't really understand what it meant to be sweet.

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You wouldn't really understand, okay, this is the texture, the flavor, the temperature, the sweetness of it.

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And so it's that aspect of having the full experiential understanding that allows you to genuinely, capital K, Know and feel what that oneness is.

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And so, um, I had this rich experience, I went into darkness for a week.

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And, I, I really did, you couldn't do nothing except be with your thoughts and meditate.

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There's nothing to do there.

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And, It was an experience that I had that was genuinely me feeling that oneness, and I could, I had an experience where I also saw it, if I can say it was like a vision in a way, and it was in a completely open plane where there was nothing there, and far off in the distance there was just a dot.

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A dot that is emanating light, and there's nothing there, but as you get closer and go into it, you look inside of this dot of light, and within this dot, it contains every aspect of reality, every universe, star, planet, galaxy, reality, human, Alternate life form, an alternate timeline, every possible timeline that any human or any being in any reality can live.

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It contained within it a totality of everything, but simultaneously it was nothing.

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And it's almost like if I put a circle in front of you and I say, Step into the circle.

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Well, did you enter the circle from the beginning or the end?

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Well, you don't know.

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It's, it, it doesn't, it has no beginning and no end.

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And it's that feeling of, it is a singularity of unity that has no beginning and no end.

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It is simultaneously nothing, but within it contains everything, which is the most beautiful paradox of, I think, our existence, and simultaneously the expression of what I believe spirituality to be experientially.

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Mm.

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Very, very interesting.

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Uh, and I remember one of my first major spiritual , breakthrough was actually, meditating and seeing a point of light.

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And, but I, what happened with, I, I had this kind of inner voice.

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It wasn't my own.

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I would like to believe it was my own, but it wasn't . Um, but it was like.

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"Even this, I am not", because I was making the light into a form, if that makes sense.

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That's when I would say that experience of seeing the whole of existence all in one go and then coming back into the, like, well, I would say into the body, into the awareness of the body, it was interesting.

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So it's quite cool.

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And the fact that you did a retreat, seven day retreat, did you say?

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Yeah, it was 132 hours, so 6 nights, 7 days, yeah.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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You know what?

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I don't think people can cope with 30 minutes in the dark room.

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I mean, the only time they like things when it's dark and it's to go to sleep and, for you to do that, that's, uh, that's remarkable.

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Uh, shows you got a lot of strength mentally

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it was intense.

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And it's funny because I, growing up, I was terrified of the dark.

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I wouldn't go into the basement alone.

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I wouldn't take the garbage can to the end of the driveway at night alone.

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I was terrified of the dark.

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And I guess eventually you just, you just grow up.

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But I think this is beyond growing up and it was something that really called me to it.

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And it's something that's also been done in ancient traditions.

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Throughout time as a rite of passage and initiation that in and of itself I think really felt like an initiation because The ancient buddhists did it, you went into caves, the Buddha.

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It's even believed the Prophet Muhammad received the first verse of the Quran in a cave.

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The Ancient Egyptians and ancient Mayans, the Kogi tribe of Colombia still actually take children when they're born and put them in a cave for the first nine years of their life, who are selected to be their highest form of healers known as mamas.

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And so I think it's a it's something that really does something to, to the, to the consciousness, ultimately, to see what, what it is.

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Hmm.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I know for sure, Ramana Maharshi, I think after his awakening, He went, he was in a cave for a good couple of years at least, and before he went, before he was kind of dragged out to start teaching, but the story is that apparently he was so engrossed in meditation for that many years that, you know, there were insects eating into him.

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He was that kind of, uh, into that experience of the self, or Brahman.

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Yeah, yeah, really Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

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Yeah.

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You mentioned the cave thing and, you know, I think, and caves are, have a big significance in India too.

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There, there are, I think you see many ashrams or you see even like the deities, they're in caves actually.

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So it's, yeah, there's a massive significance, but yeah, massive respect for, for doing that.

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I mean, that's incredible.

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Now I would like to ask from this singularity of, , oneness.

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There's a few things.

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One, one was, so would you say that we are different to this to this, uh, singularity?

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Or is it just the appearance that we're different?

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What is it?

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Is, is there a separation or is it not a separation?

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So, in my own personal view and experience, the separation is, is born of the egoic identity of separation.

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It's, it's, the illusion of separation is as I view it.

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We are, we are not innately different from this, this singularity, this light of singularity.

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We all, we all are born of this singularity and we contain the singularity within us.

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It's like taking, if I, if I go into the ocean and I take a glass of water out of the ocean, is it different than the ocean?

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No, it's, it's the same water that was in the ocean.

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It's simply in a glass.

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It's in a different vessel.

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And we're putting that vessel here.

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But similarly, that's how I view every single person in this world.

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I view every single person as a teacher, as me, as the divine, as that light, as that singularity.

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And I think that's the, that's really what we're, what we're missing a little bit today as we go about our global world and seeing different conflicts and divisiveness across gender or race or sexuality or creed.

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And I think it's, it, that aspect of seeing ourselves in the other is lost.

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And I think that is the beauty of what kind of pulls us back into remembering that everyone is our brother.

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Everyone is our sister.

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We are, we are one being.

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Hmm.

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The ground of being is the same.

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It reminds me of Kabir Ji's, one of his lines.

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I think it's in the Guru Granth Sahib that, the drop is in the ocean and the ocean is in the drop, you know, that, uh, whole thing.

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And I, so I think Rumi also has something similar as well.

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But yeah, it's, it's fascinating, very beautiful that you, you mentioned that, and I agree with you that there's this illusion of separation and that's what I mainly talk about on my podcast is that, uh, yes, there is this relative reality, this transactional reality.

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We have to be different on appearance, and thank God we're a bit different on appearance, because, you know, if everyone was just the same, we wouldn't enjoy each other's company, uh, enjoy, uh, the material objects that we get to enjoy.

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I wouldn't be able to enjoy that chocolate cake that I love to eat.

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Not, I can't eat it as much anymore, but, uh, you know, but, but, you know, um, and then, but, Innately, I should realize that when I go back into myself, that actually we're all one, and like you said beautifully, it doesn't matter how different people are, we're all one, and We have more in common than we, have, different.

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I know that, uh, yeah, we probably have another election cycle coming up in I know it's coming up.

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I think it's happening in the UK as well.

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So India is having its election.

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So I know it's going to be a time of extreme divisiveness, but at the end of the day, regardless of who wins, uh, regardless of the journey there, if we all remember that.

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You know, the person that is in the opposition or so called opposition is the same as us.

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I think it won't turn into hate.

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It becomes into a careful discernment of who you want to pick rather than, oh, well, I hate that person.

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Hence, I'm not voting for that person type of thing.

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So yeah, um, prayer is that we're more loving and we see more from that unity.

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Um, so I like that one.

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I like how it can become part of the world rather than separate, you know.

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completely, and I think the beauty of it is we're not here to, so I believe this separation is born out of the need of the egoic consciousness to exist in this world of duality that we live in, here in this third dimensional plane.

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And to that point, the ego isn't something to be disliked or wanting to be killed off because, for example, as you correctly stated, well, if there is no more Quote illusion of separation.

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Well, then you wouldn't be able to enjoy the chocolate cake.

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You and the chocolate cake would already be one.

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So you wouldn't really be able to experience the chocolate cake in its full experience of being a delicious chocolate cake.

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And so I think that that is part of the beauty of living the human experience to be able to The ego just wants to be heard.

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It wants to be understood.

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It genuinely just wants to be loved, which is what we all want here.

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Thank you.

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And I think, how can we bring that level of love to the ego to then allow us to experience one another from a space of genuine curiosity, care, compassion, love, and joy.

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And I think that kind of is also where this aspect of Leela or the divine play comes in as well.

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It's since when did we really decide to take life so seriously?

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And I think that is a whole nother aspect of what this brings into the picture, but just Yeah, something that came up as you're talking about

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Yeah, no, beautiful.

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Thank you.

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Now I'd like to know more about how did the angel numbers come into, I know there's a story behind this, and maybe you wanna share that as well.

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But eventually, what I wanna get us to, is how we can link this singularity of oneness to the angel numbers.

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If you can make that link, for us.

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Sure.

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So I will go into a two second overview of this and make it super fast, maybe a little more than two seconds.

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So in 2020, my mom very suddenly and unexpectedly passed on.

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That created a catalyst where I went back into meditation, into my spiritual roots, more than I ever had before, just to seek peace and solace.

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In the first three months of 2021, I started to receive messages from outside of myself for the first time ever, really, in meditation.

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Really ever.

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And it was the message that said, you need to help people.

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It was the same message every day for three straight months, and I had no idea what that meant, how I was supposed to go about doing that.

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I was working at Goldman Sachs in investment banking, I was like, Wall Street as Wall Street gets, like, super hardcore in that mood, like, oh, yeah, yeah.

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And, what happened was, Because I work with numbers so much like Bloomberg is on my screen I had like four monitors in front of my face CNBC tickers Excel financial models numbers are a huge part of what I did and What would happen is as that year progressed?

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I started to notice these numbers in mostly repeating patterns, so it was like 5, and like, it wasn't just like twice or three times a day, it would, no exaggeration, be 20, 30 times a day, to the point where I was like, okay, I'm a fairly logical person.

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I'm analytical, like I'm, I'm a banker.

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Like, what is going on?

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This is just downright weird.

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This isn't normal.

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And eventually, I started to research about what, what is this, right?

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Why am I seeing this?

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I eventually came to understand that Pythagoras is known, ancient Greek philosopher, is known as the father of numerology.

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And he says that every number in the universe carries an innate vibration.

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And when put into specific patterns, or sequences, or palindromes, that message is amplified.

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And the way I kind of think about it is, you take single letters and you put them into strings, and they become words.

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And they become sentences.

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And so it's almost like you're being communicated to in a different form of language, essentially.

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And As that went on, eventually, I, I developed a skill to, to communicate with angels on, on a far deeper level.

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But it, it, I, I call them angels simply because people were calling them angel numbers.

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I had no word for it, I was just seeing these repeating numbers and these, these patterns, but people colloquially and collectively called them angel numbers, so I was like, oh, okay, angels.

00:25:19.766 --> 00:25:29.391
Well, how this relates back into oneness and singularity, And I think I'll even take a little bit of a step back further to talk about just this concept of angels as well.

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Angels are referenced in every culture, every religion, every tradition around the world through history.

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All Abrahamic religions mention angels, um, the aboriginals, which is the oldest tradition on earth, mentions ancestral beings who are unseen teachers.

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The Bodhisattvas of Buddhism are basically archangelic beings of Buddhism who remove suffering and fear and guide people back towards the light.

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The Druids also believe that there's four elementals of nature and the fifth elemental is eventually an invisible being.

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for listening.

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which is likely some form of angelic guidance, but devas in India are lesser forms of the force of gods, and similarly Krishna, you can even consider him as an angel of Arjuna.

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And so if you think about angels as a guide or a protector, and, but what it is is, is they're specific to you, and your individual experience, and how it relates back to that singularity of oneness, Well, I believe that they are the heartbeats of that singularity of oneness.

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They are offering little pulses into us, saying, hey, this is just a reminder that you are part of the singularity, and we will try to communicate, or I will try to communicate with you.

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In any way, just to give you a reminder that I am here.

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I am not different than the singularity.

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I am part of the singularity.

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If we talk about the higher densities and fractalizations, well, if we pull the fractalization of us humans back up into itself, into the singularity, well, then you have a higher density layer of fractal.

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And that fractal is your angel or your higher self.

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It is all one.

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It is all the same concept.

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There's just many ways to express it and explain it.

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And so that's how I believe it connects into into that singularity.

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Interesting.

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So if I threw a curveball here, because you mentioned Krishna, Sri Krishna and Arjuna, we would say Sri Krishna is liberated.

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He's attained moksha.

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So how can he come down into, well, I'm using language here, but take my language lightly, because you have to correct me.

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How can someone that has that is liberated come back into a certain form then would that mean they're not liberated or is there something a bit beyond that that we need to explore you know type of thing

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Sure.

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So if we take that instance, well, Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu.

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Right?

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And so, well, if Vishnu is all realized and all knowing and all god, how does he come back into being?

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Well, I believe consciousness goes in a spiral evolution of dynamics.

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And so, as the consciousness evolves and expands, it goes through the various planes of existence, physical, astral, causal.

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And ultimately, as you get back into this state of being an ascended master, so to speak, you can choose to come back and incarnate in a physical human body, so to Not just experience the human experience, but to also offer guidance and assistance and support to other beings who are in their journey and relative experience of consciousness to serve all for the highest good of all.

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And it's ultimately you are serving that oneness from which you are born.

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So that's kind of my view on that.

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Awesome.

00:28:55.821 --> 00:29:08.521
So basically, even though one, they're still liberated, but they can make that choice of coming back to help certain people that I, I think I can go with that actually.

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Yeah.

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I think you can vibe with that because it just makes sense.

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I mean, uh, there's a whole thing about the inner guru and although the inner guru is technically formless, but can also be in the form of a master that you or a guru or a deva that you really are attuned to so like for example when people say they've had the darshan of shivji instead of me being um instead of doubting it i can i can actually see well it's still coming from that one source it's that one same being and yes it's chosen of course if if that person is a devotee of shiva it's not going to come in as the buddha.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's going to come in a shiver.

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It makes sense.

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So yeah, I think I can, I can vibe with that because I've heard of people who've had experiences of the devis and devtas and of Krishna or of their gurus.

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So I, you know, a lot of people, I don't know if you've heard of the Radha Soami group, um, but they will say that their guruji, they say, you know, Babaji's come to collect me when they're about to die.

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And they, actually see their Guru.

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And it's, um, and not just in that, uh, uh, kind of belief, but so many other people have said, Oh, you know, my Guru's come to collect me.

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And so, yeah, it's interesting.

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It's and so that brings me to another point that there's there's a An amazing ascended master guru of mine as well.

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His name is Mahavatar Babaji and and he is known to People say that his the incarnation of Babaji is is really ageless He appears as this young very fit being that takes the body of a man who roams the Himalayan mountains and who has caves in the Himalayan mountains.

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And so he is this ascended master essentially.

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He has reached that state of divine union with all that is.

00:31:01.530 --> 00:31:15.516
However, he comes back into human form to offer this level of guidance, support, to basically show Be that inspiration, be the embodiment that I think, at times, people may need, right?

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To, in order to view themselves as, that is attainable for me, because I think for so many, and I know people in my own sphere who are always like, oh, you have to be really advanced to, like, do X, Y, Z.

00:31:27.266 --> 00:31:37.211
It's like, well, believe that you are advanced, believe that this is possible for you, and I think it offers that That dose of inspiration and embodiment that so we all need all here.

00:31:37.821 --> 00:31:38.221
Yeah.

00:31:38.561 --> 00:31:44.071
I've heard stories, um, of people seeing Mahavatar Babaji.

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I've, I've heard, um, uh, stories of, it's just interesting to say the least.

00:31:48.882 --> 00:31:59.146
I The reason why I say it's interesting, how can people see the same person and then point, oh, yeah, this is a person I've seen, like, in different Periods of time.

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Yeah, yeah.

00:32:00.767 --> 00:32:01.997
it is quite incredible.

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There's so much that we don't know, right?

00:32:04.977 --> 00:32:17.547
It's like we just do not know and and we think we know everything and we've we've been on this this dot spinning around for such a short period of existence and what we believe is the 4.

00:32:17.547 --> 00:32:20.717
6 billion year existence of earth and the thing is we just don't know.

00:32:20.777 --> 00:32:24.586
It's all conjecture, story, theory that we can hope to create.

00:32:24.892 --> 00:32:31.182
And I think the beauty of it is, is how can we start to discover it for ourselves, and as you say, experience it for ourselves.

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Yeah.

00:32:32.257 --> 00:32:34.997
I'm always aligned with whatever science says.

00:32:34.997 --> 00:32:46.037
And I think we should always go along with science, but at the same time, I think science has become, again, it's, um, today science is more materialism.

00:32:46.757 --> 00:32:48.457
Uh, so it's materialistic.

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So in the sense of, uh, unless you can explain by matter.

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It's not, it doesn't exist.

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And I think that's the wrong way of,

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It's

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what about this?

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Yeah.

00:33:00.961 --> 00:33:02.061
What about the subject?

00:33:02.122 --> 00:33:02.451
Yeah.

00:33:03.261 --> 00:33:03.541
Well,

00:33:03.551 --> 00:33:04.122
the subject?

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exactly.

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What about the subject?

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And I think science and spirituality actually are not different at all.

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They connect completely in every aspect, in every way.

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In fact, spirituality is scientific in and of itself.

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If you even think of looking at nature, we see geometric patterns everywhere we look.

00:33:22.741 --> 00:33:26.892
We see the Fibonacci sequence even in the way whales feed in the ocean.

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The creation of nature is scientific, is geometric, it is created of all the platonic solids that we see.

00:33:35.592 --> 00:33:42.041
But simultaneously, all aspects of spirituality connect into these scientific modalities.

00:33:42.281 --> 00:33:49.491
But the thing is, for so long, we have discredited the belief in things like quantum physics, because it simply cannot be seen.

00:33:49.511 --> 00:33:53.011
Quantum is basically the unseen or subatomic level.

00:33:53.362 --> 00:34:04.211
And, and even amazing intellectuals like Einstein, Nobel Prize winners, Niels Bohr, all of these people had some form of spiritual belief in their life.

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And and that is the part that that we miss from the scientific equation or we sort of push aside But if we if we look at them in conjunction, we actually see that spirituality and science are not separate.

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They are connected and and unionized.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I do agree.

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I think, again, like I said, people shouldn't be so closed minded and I've catched myself, like I, you know, catch myself often, you know, I'd be like, ah, this is all nonsense.

00:34:31.831 --> 00:34:47.681
But then I'm like, then I think about it, I spend some time thinking about it, contemplating, I'm like, actually, I shouldn't dismiss something if I've not, if I don't know it, if I've not gone even further in it, it's It's something I should let it find me, or I don't need to concentrate on it.

00:34:47.831 --> 00:34:49.231
I don't have to like dismiss it.

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I think, and I think what's happened today.

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And it's just a state of the world.

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It's like, if you don't know it, just dismiss it.

00:34:58.356 --> 00:35:01.077
And I'm like no no no if you don't know it, you don't know it.

00:35:01.327 --> 00:35:03.916
And it's best to just say you don't know leave it open.

00:35:04.427 --> 00:35:06.516
I really liked the way you've explained everything, by the way.

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It's, really, really nice.

00:35:08.237 --> 00:35:12.987
And I liked how you've linked, the ancient numbers to the singularity of consciousness.

00:35:13.266 --> 00:35:18.507
How does the theory of karma and reincarnation fit into this?

00:35:18.713 --> 00:35:21.173
Does it even matter in all of this?

00:35:21.543 --> 00:35:40.643
It's an awesome question I I think it I think it does fit in into all of this and I think that at least in my my view We are Karma, very simply put, is a law of, very rudimentary in words, let's say cause and effect, right?

00:35:40.643 --> 00:35:49.813
It's a wheel of, one action creates a knock on effect to another equal and opposing result, similar to Newtonian physics as we know it.

00:35:50.414 --> 00:36:10.599
And so what I think is, As we are born of this initial separation, let's say, as we are created as a soul, or having a desire for individualistic expression that is created from the singularity of consciousness, we begin to embody ourselves, let's say, in form.

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And eventually we take, because we have a choice of free will, it's, I'll call it a choice, and that choice is, We'll get into that later.

00:36:21.434 --> 00:36:32.333
We may not know how that choice works, and we make decisions that may be rooted in our egoic illusion of identification, of separation.

00:36:32.864 --> 00:36:44.378
And as we continue to experience the experience of separation in ourselves, being this, say, individual or human, We make these decisions that may have counter effects, right?

00:36:44.378 --> 00:36:54.259
So let's say, uh, I make a decision that, that hurts a relationship, or I make a decision that, um, hurts, hurts someone in their life, or, or whatever that is.

00:36:55.164 --> 00:37:04.764
Well, it will have an equal and opposing effect, and that may take hold in different forms in different ways either in this lifetime or in another lifetime.

00:37:05.204 --> 00:37:13.884
And I think a way to think about that is there's a timeline of human existence that's experiencing itself as a collective, and we are popping in and out of this timeline.

00:37:14.193 --> 00:37:18.534
At different times, in different roles, in different bodies, experiencing different things.

00:37:18.934 --> 00:37:27.773
And ultimately the karmic patterns of that are what has occurred in our, let's call it past, but it's all occurring in a one singular moment.

00:37:28.353 --> 00:37:37.353
But what has occurred in a, maybe quote, past life that I'm carrying on a karmic deed or vow that needs to be ultimately realized.

00:37:37.804 --> 00:37:59.969
And as we go through this experience of consciousness experiencing itself in a spiral dynamic form, Maybe it starts with things like needing our basic necessities met and it evolves to feeling included in society similar to Maslow's pyramid There's different forms of explanation of consciousness, but I think ultimately we are We are experiencing ourselves and we're sort of we're learning.

00:38:00.028 --> 00:38:00.648
That's all it is.

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It's a sole evolutionary understanding of learning And that karma can be realized again, as I say, in that same lifetime.

00:38:10.349 --> 00:38:14.268
So let's say I slap my friend, well maybe I'm going to get slapped back across the face.

00:38:14.268 --> 00:38:16.469
That is an instantaneous return of karma.

00:38:16.929 --> 00:38:22.139
Or it can be realized maybe in a different lifetime depending on the intensity of what occurred.

00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:27.639
So maybe in another lifetime it can be a physical illness that maybe someone is born with.

00:38:27.858 --> 00:38:34.003
Or someone develops later in life that is a, Direct result of something that happened in a different lifetime.

00:38:34.284 --> 00:38:37.903
And so I think that is sort of where karma comes in It's it's this teacher.

00:38:38.134 --> 00:38:53.384
It's not something to be resented, but it's something to actually be understood as a teacher and part of our own growth and I think the beautiful thing that breaks karma is forgiveness and Ultimately, self forgiveness.

00:38:53.434 --> 00:39:00.423
It all comes down to self forgiveness because it is just you experiencing yourself as the part of the creator power.

00:39:00.784 --> 00:39:06.813
And so how do you fully forgive yourself for everything that has been self imposed or self created in your life?

00:39:08.235 --> 00:39:08.835
beautiful.

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I like that.

00:39:10.905 --> 00:39:13.925
Forgiveness is definitely that break in karma.

00:39:13.934 --> 00:39:31.034
And just to kind of, again, throw a bit of a curveball here, I'm someone that kind of believes more or less that there is the appearance of free will, but actually we don't really make any choices.

00:39:31.545 --> 00:39:39.385
The choices have already been made, one through the brain, obviously, but even the selection of what we can do is rather determined.

00:39:39.885 --> 00:39:47.474
For example, where I was born that was determined unless my mom decided to go on holiday, which probably wasn't going to happen on the ninth month.

00:39:47.550 --> 00:39:49.371
, that's so many things are determined.

00:39:49.641 --> 00:39:54.070
When you mention free will, can you explain, because you did mention you're going to go into that.

00:39:54.081 --> 00:39:59.621
So I'm going, I'm going back a step to say, well, what really is a choice then in this?

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Yeah, so so I specifically say choice of free will and so what I mean by that is the choice is quite simple.

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The choice is is quite black or white in my view.

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It is a choice to align our will with divine will and so my my analogy for this one is Let's say you have an actor who's playing a role in a musical and you have a director Well, the director is really the one who is directing the show here He's gonna tell the actor where to stand what lines to say how to how to say them and the actor Well, the actor is just playing the role And that's kind of how I view it.

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The director is the singularity source of all creation.

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