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Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Bearded Mystic Podcast.
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And I'm your host, Rahul N.
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Singh.
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Today we will be continuing on with chapter 7 verses 23 to 30, and this will then conclude the seventh chapter.
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Verse 23.
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Those who hold a smaller vision of what is possible, try to please one of the Devas.
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As a result, after leaving their present body, they take birth in the material loka of the deva to whom they are attracted.
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The result is pleasurable, but temporary, whereas those who adore and serve Me come to live with Me forever.
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So let's look at the first part of that verse.
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Those who hold a smaller vision of what is possible try to please one of the Devas.
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As a result, after leaving their present body, they take birth on the material Loka of the Deva to whom they were attracted.
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So this is continuing on from the last episode when we, we looked at verses 16 to 22 and this covered an element of that and Sri Krishna is just re-emphasizing what the results of that is.
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So here we see if we think that happiness is only found in the worldly objects, then that is as far as we will go.
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We, if we do not find that there is a transcendental happiness and you know something that is called ananda or bliss, we will continuously go through the pleasures of the body and mind.
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Therefore, we will be chasing our desires and staying away from our fears, that type of happiness is only in worldly objects.
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Now worldly objects is changing all the time, therefore it's completely unreal.
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Now, even if we are committing to spiritual acts, like worshiping the Devas and praying to the Devas, even then, if it's just so we can attain material objects.
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That's the maximum we're gonna get because we're still just feeding whatever the body and mind wants.
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We're not actually going for that transcendental happiness, that and none that, the happiness that is beyond our senses.
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If we just think we will be reincarnated and never get liberated or enlightened.
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That again, is a smaller vision of what is possible.
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Here it's talking about visions as well.
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And if someone thinks that, well, I just want to live a good life here on this earth.
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I want to just serve people.
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I want to look after the world and I want to come back.
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Although that is noble and that is something that I think is great, but why not be liberated and also do it.
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You know, there's no reason why you as Brahman will not be able to have a positive effect on the world.
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Think about it.
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Today, we still remember so many of the mystics, whether that's Kabir ji, Guru, Nanak, Dev ji, whether that's Tukaram ji, Vemanna ji you know, so many of the mystics, so many saints, and of the past, Adi Shankara ji.
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We still remember them today.
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Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekanada ji.
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We remember all of them today.
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The most important thing is not to keep our vision limited.
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Hence, for most people, unfortunately, they try to please the devas to make their life more bearable in this life and the next.
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They want happiness in this life and the next, so whatever element they worship as a deva, they will enter that realm when they die.
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If somebody is worshiping, Agni, that's what they will enter the realm for that.
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Basically everyone will go to Svarga Loka, cuz that's where the Devas reside.
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That's basically what Sri Krishna is saying.
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But remember, the next line is what's the most important part of it and that is Sri Krishna says that the result is pleasurable, but temporary, whereas those who adore and serve me come to live with me forever.
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Yes, the results will give happiness, but that happiness will be temporary.
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It will not last long at all.
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It will literally be for maybe a few hundred years.
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That's it.
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That I'm not saying there will not be happiness, but it will be limited in some form.
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Whether that's through a span of time or even the nature of that happiness, the intensity of that happiness.
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So those are the things that we'll have an effect.
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Now, that happiness is not everlasting.
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And what Vedanta's all about is making sure that we can attain eternal happiness.
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This is where we need to start thinking.
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Now, Sri Krishna says, those who adore and serve me come to live with me forever.
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Remember, if you see existence as Brahman, then you are serving humanity.
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. Therefore, you know, if you want to do those good acts, those acts of sewa, of selfless service, if you want to do that and you want to make the world a better place, why not do that at the same time as being liberated and seeing everything as Brahman, because that will be a broader vision.
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Now, the question also that we may ask in a more direct way is, well what happens to the, that person that only wants and desires Brahman, they enter into Brahman and they remain as Brahman.
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That's the result.
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So that's what Sri Krishna says here.
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Those who adore and serve me come to live with me forever.
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He's not talking about the physical Krishna.
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Those who think that are deluded and are still stuck in name and form.
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Sri Krishna has told everybody that which is real is changeless.
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That Sri Krishna that was at the battlefield is no longer alive.
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Therefore, it has changed.
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So how can we say that that is the Sri Krishna we need to go to?
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No, that will be a Deva then that we are worshiping.
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But the real Sri Krishna is Brahman.
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. Now, for something to remain forever, like I mentioned, it has to be changeless.
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So that is another thing we need to remember.
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The clue is in the verse itself of what Sri Krishna is referring to.
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What we take from this is that, yes, Sri Krishna's name and form is gone.
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That's it.
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It's not coming back.
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But his true essence is Brahman.
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His true existence is Brahman.
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Therefore do not adore and serve Sri Krishna's idol or painting or something.
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Actually adore and serve Brahman and make the results everlasting.
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See everything as the Nirguna.
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The context of the whole verse is, those who love Brahman remain as Brahman.
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Those who keep their vision of happiness limited stay within those boundaries.
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The next verse.
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Verse 24.
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Those who have not yet developed the discernment of buddhi think that because I make an appearance within matter as an avatar, I too have come under matter's laws and control.
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They do not understand that I'm beyond the the three gunas of prakriti and exist permanently outside the control of time.
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Now, this is where it gets tricky, but we're gonna explore this verse a bit more.
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We're gonna break it up a little.
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So the first part is those who have not yet developed the discernment of buddhi, think that because I make an appearance within matter as an Avatar, I too have come under matter's laws and control.
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So people are confused and think Sri Krishna is just an avatar, a name and form only, and he's saying, do not get into that delusion.
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What he says of those people is that this lacks the boundless vision that Sri Krishna talks about and also shows the lack of viveka that they have, that buddhi, that discernment.
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The intellect is only strengthened through discernment of what is Real and unreal.
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Sat and Asat.
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Now, what's obvious here is that anyone that thinks he has an appearance within matter and that that matter of Sri Krishna, the form is real, that person is obviously, their buddhi, their intellect is not good at all.
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It's very low.
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And therefore, if that's very low, the discernment is low.
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What Sri Krishna understands here is that the only thing that exists is Brahman very simple.
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He's the eternal witness that is observing the form of what people are calling Sri Krishna.
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Yeah.
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This is important point that I made and re rewind it a little bit to listen again to what I've just said, to capture fully what I've just said.
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Despite Sri Krishna having a name and form as an avatar and appears in this world, yet, he doesn't come under the laws and control of matter.
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Now, why is that?
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That's because he's aware of his True Self.
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He knows who he really is.
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He knows who's not this name and form, the name and form that people are worshiping or that will worship.
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They've lost it.
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But those who understand that he's the eternal witness in all.
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They are the ones that truly understand.
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He knows that they will get what he's talking about.
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The Gita is made for those people.
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Whoever becomes aware of their true self has the exact same statement as Sri Krishna.
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Therefore, strengthen your buddhi through discernment.
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You know that actually you as awareness have not come under Matter's laws and control.
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Awareness is the subject.
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The object is the name, form sensors and everything.
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Even the buddhi comes under Matter's law and control.
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Even discernment, because it's an object.
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You can be aware of it.
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The second part of the verse is: They do not understand that I'm beyond the three gunas of prakriti and exist permanently outside the control of time.
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Brahman is always beyond the three gunas of prakriti, that's sattva, rajas and tamas.
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Brahman is beyond tamas because it is never lazy nor is it in darkness or heavy?
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It is always aware of those things.
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Same thing that Brahman is beyond rajas because it is not hyperactive, nor is it any emotion.
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Therefore, again, it is aware of motion and it's aware of activity or hyperactivity.
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And Brahman is beyond sattva because it's not the fleeting state of happiness or peacefulness.
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Remember, it is aware of peace, it is aware of happiness, so Brahman is beyond time, meaning Brahman is forever.
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Even here, Sri Krishna is giving the biggest hint that he is Brahman alone.
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His name and form will always exist within time, but as the Atman, he's beyond time.
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He is timeless.
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He permanently exists.
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There is no way he ends up belonging to time.
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If something is permanently existing in time or beyond time, outside the control of time then it has to be eternal.
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It can't be within the structure of time that we know it, where there is an a beginning and an end.
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This understanding is very necessary when it comes to capturing what the Bhagavad Gita is saying.
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Now, before I go into the context of the whole verse, this is why I say this with all my heart, that those people that turn around to you and say ahh the Bhagavad Gita gives you good management skills, makes you a better human being.
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It makes you a better businessman, makes you a better such and such.
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Those people have not understood what Sri Krishna is saying.
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Sri Krishna's main thing here, and I want to emphasize this.
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He's all about your . He's saying, I am mukt.
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I am free.
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Now you be free too.
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Now the question is if someone's telling you that the Bhagavad Gita's giving motivational lessons or entrepreneurial lessons, business lessons, run away from such people! Run away! If you watch them on YouTube close down that window.
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otherwise do not blame the Bhagavad Gita for your buddhi, your discernment being so low.
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You've been warned now.
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So the context of the whole verse is that Sri Krishna asks us to really strengthen our buddhi through discernment of what is real and unreal, so we can understand what the Atman really is, and to break away from the changing name and form that we cling to.
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Then verse 25.
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I am not visible to those who are still deluded by matter and have not yet cultivated yogic discernment.
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My true nature is purposely hidden from them by my Yoga Maya'mystical Brahman energies that act like a veil, protecting my true identity from those who are not yet qualified to see Me.' This is a very deep verse, a very.
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It requires a deep understanding.
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I'm gonna try and put it as clear as possible in as less words as possible.
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It's very difficult to do so, but I'm gonna try.
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Let's break this up in two parts.
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I am not visible to those who are still deluded by matter and have not yet cultivated yogic discernment.
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Again, that viveka is necessary.
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I just wanna make that very clear.
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This is really obvious in terms of if you've not cultivated yogic discernment, you're still going to be in delusion.
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How can we perceive Brahman if we still think that Sri Krishna is from the Dwarpa Yuga only?
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If we have just characterized Sri Krishna in that element while reading The Bhagavad Gita, we have done a misservice.
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Sri Krishna is not the name and form here.
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When he's talking like this, he's talking as Brahman, and he's making sure that anyone that gets diluted by the name and form are put on the right track.
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We are very fortunate that the Lord has given his blessings that we can try to understand this.
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Now, if we still believe in an idolized form of Sri Krishna, we are deluded by matter.
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This is where I would say listening to my podcast requires you to be a bit more daring with your spirituality.
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If you still idolize Sri Krishna.
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I'm not saying do not have a murti of Sri Krishna, I'm not saying that.
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What I'm saying is go towards what Sri Krishna is pointing to.
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If he's saying that He is not matter.
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He is not the material.
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Do not materialize him.
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That's all I'm going to say.
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If he's Formless, let him remain as Formless.
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If he's awareness, then let him remain as awareness.
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Sri Krishna's true form is Brahman.
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Therefore, go to Brahman and find peace.
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That's the ultimate thing.
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Anyone that sees Sri Krishna as not being Brahman or being less than Brahman consider they have no yogic discernment.
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They cannot tell you what is Real nor unreal.
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And anyone that cannot explain that has no right to be talking about the Gita.
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This is, this is very important.
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The Bhagavad Gita is not a self-help book.
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It angers me when I see that.
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People utilizing the Bhagavad Gita for their own material desires and then mask it under the guise of the Bhagavad Gita.
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It's not there for self-help.
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The Self doesn't need help.
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So any book you see in self-help of the Bhagavad Gita, run away.
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Nobody can be be a monk, be a sannyasi, be a seeker, be a knower of Brahman, and go back to self-help.
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When you know there's no self, separate to the Eternal what else?
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What other help do you.
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It is a very, what I'm saying again requires guts because everyone will tell you why such and such is very good for you and now I'm saying the exact opposite.
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I'm saying that is not good for you.
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But the reason for that is those things bring you into more delusion.
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I found this from my own experience.
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I'm not speaking from somebody else's experience.
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This is my experience.
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Self-help only made me more confused and actually gave me a lack of self-worth.
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And while reading things like the (Bhagavad) Gita and the Upanishads, and the Ashtavakra Gita or Ramana Maharshi or any of the mystics, it actually helped me a lot more by understanding the spiritual element properly.
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That helped me.
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So let's go to the second part of the verse.
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My true nature is purposely hidden from them by my Yoga Maya.
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And what is meant by the Yog Maya is the mystical Brahman energies that act like a veil protecting my true identity from those who are not yet qualified to see Me.
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This is phenomenal.
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If this can, if we can understand this point, spirituality becomes so much easier and it really, like spirituality is easy, but we get confused by this one thing.
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Yoga Maya, by this actual Maya itself.
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And what is Maya?
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We'll go into it now.
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So this existence acts like a veil.
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Now when we look at Sat-Chit-Ananda.
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Sat means existence, Chit means Consciousness, ananda means bliss.
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Now what we say is that the ground of being, this maya is actually Awareness itself.
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Yeah, awareness and the energy of awareness it forms this Maya.
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It manifests this Maya.
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This manifestation being an object, we start associating ourselves with that object.
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For example, the Jiva is Brahman, you know, Jivo Brahmaiva Naparah.
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But because the Jiva thinks it's the body and mind, because we keep associating the 'I Am' to the body and mind, there's confusion.
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So we think that, Yoga Maya is what we are, but yet we are aware of the body and mind.
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Therefore the body and mind is not me.
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It's not the true 'I am'.
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Yeah.
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We are the 'I am' before the body and mind.
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These are the few nuggets of wisdom that can take us far.
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That is essentially what Brahm Gyana tells us that this Maya that you see, it's the ground of existence.
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It's the Shared Being of existence.
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It's all oneness, but it's just a veil.
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It's just a veil, though.
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Beyond that veil is Your True Nature.
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So you do not say, I am the universe.
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I am aware of the universe and that universe is powered by my awareness.
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And when I say universe, I mean all of existence.
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Now hopefully we got that.
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If you haven't, I would say rewind.
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I will put this as verse 25 B, so you can revisit it again.
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What to understand from here is that Maya is a servant of Brahman and therefore hides Brahman, even though it is right here in plain sight.
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So it appears that he hides Brigman, but it's right here in plain sight.
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Right now you may see a microphone, you may see me on the screen, but, but I can see right now there's only Brahman.
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Brahman as different objects.
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Now, someone will say to me that, you've actually made Brahman into an object here.
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No, Brahman is appearing as objects, but because I am aware of those objects, awareness is my true nature.
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I'll go to the primary source of what I am not the secondary.
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The secondary is body and mind, or forms and names.
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Primary is awareness.
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Formless Awareness and only a rare few are qualified to see Brahman.