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Hello and welcome to the Bearded Mystic's Oneness Conversations.
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I'm joined here today by James and Justin from the Stay Spiritual YouTube channel.
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They're well known for their reaction videos and mostly spiritual videos and even their interviews that they've had with other spiritual people and I've had the pleasure of participating in that so I can tell you they're good and so we're reversing the roles a little here where I will be asking them both questions so welcome to the show and good to
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Hey, thanks for having us, Rahul.
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It's great to be here.
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you.
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So my first question is what inspired you to start the Stay Spiritual YouTube channel?
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Do you want to go first, or?
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Well, I think you should go first.
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Since I opened my mouth, I'll go first.
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Um, I think, uh, we're kind of like minded.
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We're brothers, so.
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And, uh, like, we live close to each other.
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So, we were constantly getting together with our families and stuff like that on weekends.
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And we would like to talk about philosophical subjects, deep subjects and stuff like that.
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Um, and I don't know, it kind of, we kind of naturally fell into it.
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It wasn't like a plan.
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It didn't start off like a, we're going to start a YouTube channel.
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It didn't start like that.
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We, we were talking about kind of like spiritual practices and stuff like that.
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And I started, he was meditating actually.
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And then I started meditating and then we would talk about it.
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And actually without him even knowing it, I was like, I want to do something.
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I want to like, And so I started something on Twitch where I was just like talking rubbish into a, into a mic to myself, pretty much, no one was watching, it was live, and I was just gonna like, I'm just gonna meditate in front of a camera and see what happens, and then I think after like 16 episodes, I don't even know how you found out, Use like you're doing something online or something like that, or you came over and then I was like, well, come over and we'll talk.
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And so we talked to ourselves for like probably the first, you know, 30 episodes.
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Uh, it was so funny.
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We would hold up pieces of paper.
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Oh, terrible.
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It was pretty funny.
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Uh, and, uh, with like a picture of like, you know, a mystical person on it or something, we'd be like, talk about it.
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And yeah, yeah.
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And, uh, pretty lo fi.
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Yeah.
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We just like to talk about, uh, you know, Deep subjects and spiritual principles and practices.
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What works for us and what other people believe and stuff like that.
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Just the stuff that we were kind of into.
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Um, and then we, we transferred from Twitch cause we started on Twitch and then we just took all our content, put it on YouTube and then it was YouTube from there on in.
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Um, that probably happened at right, like episode 35 or something like that.
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And then we just went with YouTube pretty much the whole way.
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Yeah, in the beginning, we would go live on Twitch and we would be talking to the people that were watching.
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Like the one person Yeah.
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Maybe do a, yeah.
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Um, but it was fun, you know, we, and we were getting something out of it.
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And I don't know, the first time I came over, I was like, it sunk in like what it kind of could be.
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So it's pretty funny to watch that first episode where I was a guest and I'm like, looking at the cameras, I'm like, this could be We could do something here, you know.
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Um, but we would, we would actually meditate in front of the camera those first episodes.
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I was pretty out of shape to be doing that.
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We'd do like 20 minutes.
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We'd just sit in front of a camera and be like, come on, join us.
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One person who's watching and we'd do that.
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And, uh, yeah, it just kind of grew from there.
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And then when did the reaction videos come in?
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Well, you take this part because there was a, there was a turning point in our channel's history.
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Right.
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So we were, um, I don't know if we'd reacted really to anything yet.
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Uh, we had had some guests and we had a, a big guest setup that we were all excited about.
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And before the interview started, they were like, look, we can do the interview or we can give you a little bit of advice.
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And so we were like, all right, let's take the advice.
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And they gave us some, we're grateful, very grateful.
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And I just want to be careful not to.
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I don't want to say who it is just for privacy reasons, but, uh, they, you know, they were successful and they told us some of the things we could do differently.
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And we, we didn't do the interview with them.
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We just gave our thanks to them and stayed in contact with them.
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And then, uh, we retooled the whole show.
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We shut down for four months.
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We shut down for four months.
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A lot happened in that four months.
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Yeah.
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Um, that maybe you can, I don't know if you want to go into or not, but, uh, well, you know, maybe things, you know, happen for a reason, right?
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Like, we, we needed some time off at the time.
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We had gone for probably like a year and a half straight, like, and we were kind of getting frustrated at this point, because it felt like, uh, things weren't growing, we weren't getting, like, the audience that we, like, we Things weren't happening.
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And then that, that, uh, conversation, like he was so gung-ho.
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He was like, yes, I knew.
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It was like, he was like, it's time to do this.
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And I was like, sad . for some reason I was like, I was all depressed about it.
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Um, but uh, but I was like, okay, you know, I shut down.
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But you know what, it was actually needed because our mother at the time, uh, she was very late in kind of, uh, her ca her cancer at the time.
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And this actually allowed for us more time to be with her and spend.
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So that was kind of, and like, it was only about two months into that, that she passed.
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And so, you know, not doing the channel and not having that stuff, you know, we couldn't have done the channel.
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We would have been wrecks, you know, like it was, so we needed the time off.
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Uh, and it, that was like a growing experience going through that whole time.
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Like, I needed to be, like, alone.
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Like, everyone handles death differently, right?
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And you know, like I needed alone.
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So like I spent four months down here in the basement make building this room because I was because I was and but it was uh, Therapeutical for me because I had time to just be with myself.
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No one was bugging me Hammer, hammering away at nails and doing drywall.
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And sometimes I would come over and distract him.
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But it was like, it was like a, I don't know what you call it.
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Maybe a monastic practice or something.
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Cause everyone was sort of in isolation.
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It was coming off the tail of COVID and then it was just sort of grieving and building a studio at the same time.
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And then came out and re showed up on the scene.
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And that's kind of where we went from there.
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That's very impressive.
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And, and it came at a point where, you know, you're in kind of, you're actually dealing with what really tests someone's spirituality.
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The grieving process, I think there's no bigger test than having to deal with a loved one's demise and to come out of it, and nobody would guess, I mean, I wouldn't have guessed that that happened to you guys, I mean, you're so happy and cheerful, and I think that's the meditation practice you've done before, I think all that on Twitch, it proved you for that moment, like it made you ready for that moment,
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To be honest, you know, I per, I can't speak for him, but I found during that time it was hard.
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It was harder to meditate during that time.
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Cause it's so, cause you're really with yourself at that time.
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Right.
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And like, you've got all this, you know, coming at you about, you know, you know, you're going to miss her and she's going to be gone.
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And like, cause we knew, like the writing was on the wall.
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We knew it was, it was time.
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She was going to pass.
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And, and it was just like facing that was, was tough, like at that, at that time.
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And so meditating is hard, so it was like I took on a new form of meditating by swinging a hammer.
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It was like, it was just a, but yeah, it was just interesting time.
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Yeah.
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Interesting how that all came together.
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Yeah.
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Well, in a beautiful way, I would say you so that's very interesting.
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And whoever gave you the advice also, that obviously has proven to be fruitful.
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that's really good.
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How would you both define spirituality and what does it mean to you both on a personal level?
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Obviously there's one thing that we show maybe on screen.
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There's a certain persona that's shown there, but personally in our daily lives, how have you, allowed yourself to remain spiritual?
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Staying spiritual?
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Yeah.
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Ha ha.
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Um, well, I think, uh, uh, people have asked us this before and I feel like this is something like an understanding that is continually evolving in my life.
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The, this understanding of spirituality and it's multifaceted.
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So maybe a few things that I could pick from it.
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One thing that really stuck with me was an interview that we had recently when someone we were talking to, uh, said that it was kind of like this act of surrender for them.
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And I've really felt like that spirituality feels like the practice of surrender almost, to this reality in the life and the control that we try so hard to, uh, you know, will our realities in a certain direction and letting go of that almost.
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Um, which is, it's a daily battle.
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It's something that I go through every, every day.
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But it's, uh, become more apparent to me that that is definitely one of the facets.
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And then another one, it's like the act of practice of trying to connect with the reality itself also is like, know, where do you fit into all this?
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whether it's the physical or, you know, the, the, the unseen.
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What is my role in all this?
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Where do I fit into this?
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And, and.
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How do I play into this?
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I don't know.
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What about you?
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Uh, well, the first episode I was ever on at the end, just like as a cheeky line, I said, stay spiritual, like stay classy, like Ron Burgundy or something.
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the channel used to be called Coral Living.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then I, I kept saying that every time I was a guest on the show.
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And, but in terms of spirituality, that's.
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It's kind of a tough answer for me because like, what is spirituality?
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I was thinking about it before we even started.
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And I, and the best answer I could sort of come up with is we cover a lot of different religions and a lot of different belief systems here.
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And I guess one word that kind of keeps showing up in religion and all these things is the idea of spirituality.
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It's almost like a, It's almost like something that finds its way through all these, whatever you believe, you're practicing spirituality.
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And so to me, I feel like it's a good fit.
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You know, what is spirituality?
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It's more of a question than it is, an answer almost for me.
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Like, yeah, we're, we're, we're staying spiritual because it seems to be laced through everything we do.
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So I, I know that's not quite a solid answer, but I'm not sure.
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I'm like James.
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I'm kind of still, you know, Figuring out what spirituality is, you know,
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Yeah, and
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that way, whatever it
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no, no.
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And I think you're kind of right.
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think the moment you define spirituality, it then stops being what it is.
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Uh, what we do is we have, uh, we, we conceptualize it and then it becomes another belief system, which could become limiting.
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Uh, so I think having the open field, uh, is kind of better than, you know, keeping closed.
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It's almost like the, like the show could be called stay enlightened, you know, like who knows what that is, know?
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Uh, but nevertheless, it's a reoccurring theme and it's, it means something it's we're trying to do
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Well, you know, the Advaita Vedantins will agree with you if you say stay enlightened, because Adi Shankara Ji said we're all enlightened.
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And, uh, um, so, um, that's really cool.
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So, that's a perfect segue, because you've obviously I've done a lot of reaction videos to different belief systems, different spiritual teachers.
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So are there any specific, uh, spiritual teachers or traditions, you know, have had a real significant impact on your life and even on the channel?
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If you wanna talk about both actually on the channel and in your life.
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Uh, well, yeah, for, for sure.
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Uh, it is pro kind of probably been a progression, you know, my whole life I feel like I've been involved in some type of spirituality.
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We were raised in the, in the church growing up, right?
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So we, you know, we read the Bible, we prayed, you know, we were, and we had a, like a five day a week kind of a church practice.
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Like we were at church all the time.
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We were one of those very involved families.
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Um, because we lived in a small town and I guess there wasn't much to do, but like that definitely had an impact on our, our, our lives.
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And I, you know, I don't want to give it too much of a hard time because I think that there's, there's some, some tough stuff that came with that, but there was also some good stuff and a lot of learning through, you know, kind of finding my own way.
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And then I feel like, uh, in my life, I probably.
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Like, uh, as I left my family and be, and started my own family, um, I probably went into kind of some type of a neutral state where it was like, I really wasn't, didn't have my mind on spiritual things.
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It was more about just like getting the family up and running.
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And then as that kind of stabilized and there was more time to think, I started to entertain New ideas like non duality.
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But at the time I probably would have said, still up until even my, maybe my mid thirties, I would have said, I'm, I'm a Christian.
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Um, but then, uh, after, but then I started studying other fields of philosophy.
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, Constructs of like, uh, consciousness evolution, like spiral dynamics was a big one that had a kind of a big influence on my life, helping to see kind of where I was at, in, in my evolution and then like figuring that out.
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And then, you know, I started watching Alan Watts and Terence McKenna and listening to people that I would never listen to before because I was in an isolated bubble.
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Like as a Christian.
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I didn't, I don't, I didn't realize until after kind of like exiting out of that, how much of a bubble I was in.
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I was in a very isolated bubble, like, uh, and not, not that I only went to Christian venues, but it was like I had this invisible barrier over me that didn't let new ideas permeate.
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Um, and I don't, I don't know how maybe, maybe it was Justin here kind of being able, like he would come to the table with new ideas.
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And because he was my brother, it felt safe to kind of entertain them maybe.
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And then, uh, I would, you know, think about them and question them and be like, Oh, okay, that, you know, that's different.
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You know, it made me feel a little bit uncomfortable, but then, uh, the more I spent with it and, and questioned and did stuff like that, I was able to kind of get out of that bubble and opened me up to a whole new world of ideas and concepts and beliefs and.
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Kind of very liberating, actually.
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I think maturity played a bit of a role because, you know, it seemed like there were many times when I was growing up where in the middle of the party, I'd be like trying to have some deep discussion about things, you know, and I guess I was just happy because sort of for me, how it worked is it started off in self help.
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I was looking into different people talking about self help and then I found a guy that was breaking off from that and getting into deeper subjects and then metaphysics and I would come and do my thing and rant and James was actually receptive to what I was saying and then one person became sort of like two two similar minded people and to answer your question about who is a teacher that I revere I kind of take the position of trying to have many wise counsels.
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There's a lot of people I like.
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The people you mentioned, you know, Alan Watts, and even obscure stuff, sort of like Terence McKenna, some of the things he said, and I take everything with a grain of salt.
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I'm not like a devotee of anyone in particular, cause I like a lot of the stuff Osho says.
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He's one of my favorite, you know, uh, Rajneesh and, and, uh, just lately I've, I've been learning a little bit more about Ram Dass and even learning about Neem Kroli Baba, you know, there's not much.
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teachings out there to actually get.
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I think there's some audio clips of him saying Ram, Ram and stuff like that.
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But I exposed myself even to that.
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I'll listen to that for a little bit because he was such a significant figure, you know, like there's something to that guy.
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And I just watch even the videos of how he moved and what he was about and stories people had about him.
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But yeah, uh, you know, Sadhguru, there's like so many good people.
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And without being off the rails devotee to any one person, I try to take everything.
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All those wise people say, and then just turn it into something new.
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I like the idea of alchemy.
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Taking all these things.
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I love the idea of piecing together seemingly unrelated things, even.
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And, you know, and then maybe that's what turns into spirituality itself.
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Wonderful.
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So you mentioned Osho, what kind of reaction do you get from your audience with him?
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Uh, because it's a very mixed crowd, I think.
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Yeah, a lot of controversy.
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But it's, it's weird because people tend to stick to their guys.
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That's what we've noticed.
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Like, like if say we do a reaction on Islam and it's like all Islam straight down the board.
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When we do something to Hinduism, it's like every now and then one guy will jump over to like, Throw a, you know, try and start a fight.
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And I, usually I delete it because I don't want, it's not what I'm looking for.
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But for the most part, people kind of stick into their lanes.
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But I have noticed recently, which I'm excited about is people from other faiths starting to watch the other content that we're doing and being respectful and kind of like, you know, still sharing their own, you know, like, like I feel this way about it.
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But I see what they're saying and that, that is one of the goals here.
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It's one of the things I love is being other people, being able to see other people's perspectives and just, you know,
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Yeah.
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that's good, man.
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Uh, because I've, whenever, you know, you speak to some, speak to someone about someone, so I would say divisive as Osho, because for some reason he, Tick people whatever reason,
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Yeah.
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if actually people listen to his message, I don't, he was a huge influence on me in the sense of getting me out of the confusion from the spirituality that we followed as kids and also what we learned at school through the Bible, it, you know, the gods kind of meshed up and got, got me confused and Osho was a great tool to just deprogram And and, uh, I, and I think like now I never listened to Osho, but I would never say, um, I think you kind of, you kind of grow out of him in a way, but I think that his, his whole purpose.
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see exactly what you're saying.
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And the interesting thing is like in the Bible, there's a, there's a story where.
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God uses a donkey to convey as a message like a prophet, you know, and the, and when people would analyze that when I was growing up, they'd be like, see, like God can speak through anything.
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And I, I tend to see it that way.
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You know, I, I'm not hook, line, and sinker with everything.
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Anybody says really.
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know, Osho has said some controversial things, but I like the idea of shaking things up, you know.
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There's even lifestyle choices that he criticizes that, like, I don't have any plans on not engaging in.
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Like, you know, he was, you know, he was a very controversial figure, but I think part of what he was trying to do was to get you to think a little more deeply about what you're doing.
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know, why are you, why are you living in this lifestyle?
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Why have you chosen to live this way, you know?