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Season 6 Oneness Conversations

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Join an engaging, deep, and enlightening conversation on The Bearded Mystic's Podcast where renowned YouTuber Gary Lee Haskins  @GaryLee123   shares his spiritual journey. Topics included are the value of community, spiritual lineage, reincarnation, and the impact of meditation. The dialogue moves beyond labels and pedestals, highlighting a balance between being seen as a friend and a teacher. The importance of discernment in resonating with spiritual content online is emphasized, alongside a discussion of how declaring oneself as enlightened can lead to ego and misunderstanding. This podcast gives a unique, grounded view of spirituality, filled with wisdom, humor and a genuine voice.

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Hello everyone.

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Welcome to the Bearded Mystic Oneness Conversations with Gary Haskins.

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He is in my opinion, one of the famous YouTubers that we have that creates great interviews with people in the spiritual circles.

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He asks the right questions, he delves deep, and, I've been on the show once.

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It's conscious perspective and it's really, really good.

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Do check it out.

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The link is in the show notes to his channel, so make sure you do check him out.

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And, uh, so the first question, Gary, and welcome, uh, it's nice to see you after a couple of years.

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Although I've been, although I've been seeing you actually on my feed.

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alot so, so

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Now we're tapped

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Yeah

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in in You know, you can interact.

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Yes.

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Um, so the first question is how did the spiritual path, uh, actually catch your attention?

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You know, why did you want to get involved in it?

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It's a tough one.

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I never know how to answer that.

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I was always inclined, I don't know where it came from, maybe previous lives as some say, but I was always inclined with a sense of curiosity at what all of this was, man.

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Because I feel as though, or I felt as though it never made sense.

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It was just there was some kind of incongruence in how the whole world was set up and how I was supposed to be, how I was supposed to sound, how I was supposed to look, et cetera, et cetera.

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So there was always like a sense of curiosity of.

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Wanting to find out what's real, because I was like, this is, something's not adding up here.

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Like there's just something that just didn't resonate.

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There was not a lot of resonance, I guess you could say.

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Um, so that, like I said, led me down a sense of curiosity, but that curiosity was very material-minded.

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Back in the day, I'll say, I don't know, my teen years to my early twenties, I was a pragmatic atheist material-minded.

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If it couldn't be proven with science, then it didn't exist, kind of mind.

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So I was curious in that way, which I think is a good first step, right?

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mm-Hmm

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Wanting answers to certain questions, just using proofs and maybe mathematics to prove it from there.

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Hmm.

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How did I get into spirituality from there?

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Because I do feel as though that is a sort of spirituality, but it's like it's not quite there, you know?

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It's not quite the level of yoga.

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mm-Hmm.

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Hmm.

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It's a tough one.

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How did I get in that?

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You know, honestly it probably came from a sense of still, even though I was still searching for answers in books, in in the material world, the material mind, there was still that yearning inside still like a sense of dissatisfaction.

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I was like, I guess reached a breaking point of just certain mental illnesses, you know, just, um, somewhere along the way it still didn't add up.

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This was mid twenties, I'd say.

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Still looking for something, looking, seeking something, something.

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I don't know what it was, but still, just the curiosity never ended.

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And then, like I said, certain mental ailments came about.

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I wanted to improve that naturally as I, hopefully we all would got into meditation because I heard, uh, all of the beautiful benefits of meditation.

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And from there, I think that's when it started.

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I think that's when the whole path started, was when I learned to just sit with that sense of mind, that sense of seeking that sense of dissatisfaction.

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And just be curious at that be what is that, what is the, the one.

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Where is this all coming from?

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The one that is dissatisfied, sitting with that every day in a ritualized manner.

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I think that is how the whole spiritual path came to be, is rather than questioning everything from the outside the world, like I said, this world that didn't add up, that just seemed to be backwards, turning that focus inward, that switched up everything.

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Um, and it did actually help my mental illness, I would say my depression, anxiety, all of the, uh, mental illness that I was probably born with, it seemed to be mitigated, but that was just the byproduct that just came along the way, I think from the looking inward.

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Um, so yeah.

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Uh, does that answer your question?

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It's more of just staying on, uh, a curious path

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no, that's really beautiful.

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And I think, um, I really like the fact that you said that it was a byproduct and not the direct cause because I think sometimes people can, uh, as you probably know, people probably come onto the spiritual path thinking it will get rid of all their problems and sometimes it can bring in more problems than the actually, um, so

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ultimately though it does help.

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I think that's why we do it.

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I mean,

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yes.

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getting right into this thing, I think we suffer so that it can align us with this.

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So-called spiritual Path.

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I really do think there's no other way to go about it.

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We all have this sense of inertia, just like this density in our head, and there's no way to untangle that until you follow the path.

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And I would recommend just meditation.

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I know there's many different yogas, well, four different yogas as they would say in the Gita.

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But me personally, I would recommend meditation to everybody, and it's not gonna work for everybody, but I think a vast majority of people can benefit from regular meditation and it won't necessarily, um, how do I put this?

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Yeah.

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It won't get rid of your suffering.

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It will just allow you to look at it a little bit differently, which then you could say thus does get rid of it per se but it's nothing to get rid of.

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It's just a transcendence through how one looks at the, the, the seeming suffering person

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mm-Hmm.

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you see?

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Yeah.

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I got you.

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So you mentioned the four yogas.

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So obviously this one specifically is Raja yoga, uh, that is mainly talked about, and it's obviously expressed a lot through Swami Vivekananda Ji's writings, uh, and, and lectures.

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So did that, did you ever read his, um, book on Raja yoga and how did that help if you

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No, I actually haven't.

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Um, I know I probably should have, and I sound a little fake for not reading it, but I know much of Swami Vivekananda and what he has to say.

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I just haven't dove into that specific book, and I know a lot about Raja yoga.

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I just, um, have yet to explore his actual, well, I've explored his writings, just not in a full, you know, like a full book in a manner where I sit down and go through hundreds of pages.

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But I do know of it very well.

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yeah.

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So how did you come across Raja yoga then?

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hmm.

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I don't know, man.

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Just along the way, along the way of just learning meditation somehow.

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It was probably through the Gita.

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I think the Gita was probably the first explanation of Raja yoga, most likely.

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Um, but yeah, it was just, uh, I went through a yoga 200 hour teaching course and that was probably a very fair introduction to the whole idea of Raja yoga,

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mm-Hmm.

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which that was just the tip of the iceberg.

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But still, I think it was a good introduction into it, you know, a good platform.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's good to hear because a lot of the, um, nowadays, because these, um, yoga courses are good business, um, they hardly talk about these, um, philosophical aspects now.

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So it's kind of nice that at least your course talked about, uh, the Gita and how Raja yoga was kind of.

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Uh, kinda implied by Shri Krishna quite a bit actually.

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Uh, when we think about it, in fact, if you wanna say the whole, um, I would say the whole Gita itself, the underlying aspect is that you're meant to be centred when you read it and it's, when you're centered, you get that focus like Arjuna where you can finally, you know, get over the, the pains and ailments of life and the material attachments.

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So it's, it's interesting'cause people would think Shri Krishna is only about one path, or, you know, there's schools of thoughts that'd just be like, oh no, he's only about Bhakti, or he is only about, uh, gyana yoga.

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But actually it's, I think all four of them are intertwined and infused within it, and you can't deny one over the other.

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But like you said, everyone can have a pre, uh, preference and.

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Again, that's according to your karma or your past lives.

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Do you believe in past lives and, um, and, and what's been your experience in like having, uh, maybe interviews with people who've spoken about their past lives?

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Have you ever had that?

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And, um, and what's your view about it in general?

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Oh man.

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Depends on the day.

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Um, I'm more inclined to say yes, that we do have past lives.

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It seems to be the way of things somehow, some way we are born over and over and over again.

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That might be why some of us have certain inclinations that others don't have.

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It's just like a remnants of past lives, other karma that we have to reap.

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You know, why are some people so good when they're born that guitar, or they're so such good singers, or just have a knack.

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We all have our knacks, so most likely it's remnants from other lives, and it seems just right, man.

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Doesn't it like when you meditate on reincarnation, it seems like, yeah, that's just, that's just how it be.

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That's just how it is.

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And one could say, oh, you're just coping because you're afraid to die like you wanna be reborn.

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No.

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Actually, that's not the good news.

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If you look into Eastern philosophy, you don't wanna live forever.

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Like that's the bad news.

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Yeah.

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You've been in this thing for millions and millions and millions of lives.

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It's called Samsara, and you don't wanna do that again.

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So it's not a coping mechanism, it's just actually facing the truth that, whoa.

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Wait a second.

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I'm in this perpetual, I was gonna say trap.

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It's not really a trap because you don't wanna look at it like that, but it, if you're not aware of it, it could be a trap.

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Like if you're not aware of samsara, it's a trap of ultimate ignorance.

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So point of the story is, yes, I do believe in it.

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Um, and it's not because I want to believe in it what You It's not because my fear is convincing me that like, oh yeah, we live forever.

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No, it's actually seems like that's just how it is.

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That's just the game, I guess you could say.

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And I don't think you can read that from a book.

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I don't think it's something that somebody can tell you.

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You just have to go within yourself.

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Meditate, earnestly, can't emphasize that enough, and just that would just become apparent.

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It just becomes apparent.

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I'm not a hundred percent sure of it.

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I'm not a hundred percent sure of anything, but it just seems likely, very likely, that that is the thing.

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You, you mentioned I, I liked what you said about how some people can utilize it.

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as a coping mechanism, and there's so many people, that would turn around and say, well, I don't, you know, maybe in my next life I can look at spirituality.

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A lot of people in the Indian diaspora will say this, and it's like, um, and my, my guru ones asked this question, how do you not know that this is your last life?

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You know, why are you thinking that your last life is in the next one?

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It could actually be in it right now.

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So it's interesting that you said that, and I think a lot of people do utilize it as a coping mechanism to kind of perpetuate the ignorance and keep it going.

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That's, yeah.

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That was really cool, man.

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thanks

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cool.

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I don't believe it matters.

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I think, uh, if this is our last one,

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Mm-Hmm.

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or if we have a million after this, it doesn't matter, as in what I'm supposed to do here.

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The Dharma that Gary imbues into the world isn't affected by millions of lives or this only life.

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Hmm.

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If you're truly, if you're truly following your Dharma in this life, it doesn't matter.

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That's just like another narrative.

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That's just another story.

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So you know what I mean by that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm following.

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I'm following.

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Yeah, yeah, So I don't like to get caught up in that.

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'cause that can just be another story.

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That can just be like another trap.

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It's cool to talk about, and obviously I've talked about it plenty, and it's cool to entertain, but at the end of the day, if you're truly, you know, in the now, in the here and now following one's Dharma, going with the logos.

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Mm-Hmm.

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you're truly present, like, truly present, like true presence, it doesn't matter.

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It really, it's like, what, what?

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Doesn't matter, man.

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Be here now.

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Right?

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I'll tell you this story and hopefully I don't mess it up, and you've probably heard it, most likely you've heard it before.

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There was this monk who was traveling on the road to heaven, on the road to God.

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And, uh, along the way he came across this dancing man and, uh.

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He said, Hey, what's up man?

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And he said, Hey, where you going?

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Oh, I'm just going to heaven and talk to God.

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He said, oh cool.

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Can you ask him how many lifetimes I got left?

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Yeah, for sure.

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Walks on.

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Walks on by, then he sees another man sitting.

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The lotus posture, you know, the cliche monk just meditating under the Bodhi tree interrupts his meditation.

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Hello sir.

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Hi.

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Uh, what's going on?

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Oh, I'm just going to visit God going to heaven.

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Oh, cool.

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Uh, can you ask him how many lifetimes I got left?

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Yeah, sure, sure.

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So goes there, talks to God, lets him know the deal.

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On the way back he sees, let not mess this up.

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Yes.

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He sees the monk again and he says, you know, obviously, did you talk to God?

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Yeah, man.

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Uh, well, how many lifetimes I got left?

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He said about five.

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And right then and there, the monk came out of his meditation posture.

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Angry.

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He's like, what do you mean five?

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I've been doing this, I've been on the path doing all of these modalities, you know, cliche, Raja yogi, just angry, just furious.

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What do you mean five lifetimes?

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So obviously that guy had to get outta there'cause the monk was getting angry.

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He was, he wasn't happy about the news.

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And he moves on further down the path and he sees the dancing man just exuberant.

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Just, oh, he's just, he's just, he's just having a great old time.

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Right.

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Hey, what's up man?

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Just talk to God.

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Yeah.

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How many lifetimes I got left?

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He said, oh, 5 million.

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And then the dancing man goes, that's it.

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And he continues dancing on and on.

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And he is just, just still just dancing, how he was dancing before and keeps going.

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The guy keeps going that talked to God.

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And that's, that's it.

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And that's the moral of the story is it doesn't really, how do I put this?

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You have to be present, man.

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It doesn't really matter what you do.

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It doesn't matter how many lifetimes you have left.

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You kind of just have to dance the dance, you know?

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Um, the spiritual path isn't something that looks a certain way to one person.

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I mean, well, how do I put this?

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It may look a certain way to one person, but it may apply differently to you.

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So

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Hmm,

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the, how do I put this man, the monk, he only had five, right?

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He may look like a spiritual person.

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Hmm,

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He may look, he look, he's look like he's in the moment, but when he got the news that he, he had five, he's pissed off.

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Hmm.

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Seems like a lot to him.

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Wasn't he doing a lot of work?

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And then the dancing man, he had 5 million.

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He was okay with it.

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So who was more enlightened?

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I'd say the dancing Man.

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yeah.

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I, I'll go with that too.

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You like it?

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It's, it's, I like that story.

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I mean, one could argue and be like, well, is he really more enlightened if he has 5 million lifetimes left?

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I get that.

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But that's kind of going beyond the story.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The story is be here now and your, your, the spiritual path is kind of different for everybody.

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And if you're truly here now, I guess it doesn't matter.

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I don't know

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That's, that's true.

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No, no, no.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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I really like that story.

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I've heard it before.

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but it's, it's a story that really, I think no matter how many times you listen to it, uh, there's always another teaching you get from it, another element that you can grasp and, another nuance that can deepen your understanding as you mentioned

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stories are like that.

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All like, um, poetic, how do I put this?

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Poetic?

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What are those called?

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What is, there's gotta be a term for that.

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I know There is like stories of the Bible.

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the parables.

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Parables.

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That's the word I was looking for.

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A true, poetic, good parable is like that.

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You hear it five 50 times and all of those 50 times are different.

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Maybe it even gets better every time you hear it.

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I, hope I told it right.

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I don't even know I, told it right.

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I think you did.

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If not, it's a better version.

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So

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Yeah,

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it's an evolved version.

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Um, and that's the way it should be.

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I don't think, you know, some people like things to be rigid in the way the story was told before, but sometimes when you add your own flavouring and you are open about it, it's kind of, it actually helps, um, to bring more nuance.

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I, that's what I think anyway.

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too, man.

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And I think that's what we're doing.

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Um, right now, once you link up to the Dharma, this may seem a little esoteric, but I'll be going there, man.

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When you, once you link up to the Dharma, you become part of the story.

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So the story's not yet finished.

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The story's still ongoing.

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I feel like we've, we think we've reached the end of evolution, evolution of consciousness, evolution of our bodies, and, you know, in that, in that way.

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But no, we're still evolving towards something else, and I feel like.

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It's a sort of story.

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It's a sort of adventure that started millions and millions and millions of years ago.

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And you can become a part of it if you really want to.

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Hmm.

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You know, like you can really, and you become a part of that with the word, like the word is somehow in the parable.

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In the parable is that we tell to each other, we become a part of that.

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It's quite powerful.

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you do.

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And, and, and you're absolutely right man.

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Like a lot of people they think stories.

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Aren't important.

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And they do have a place.

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And I think at least if you are beginning, you should start with stories because it's a great way to use your imagination and to kind of, and I think imagination, uh, brings you to intuition eventually that, and that's when you can start grasping the deeper philosophies.

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Otherwise, if you go straight to the deeper philosophies, one, you may become as dry as hell.

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And two, um, you know, you will miss I think the juice of the truth.

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I

00:21:25.520 --> 00:21:25.730
you

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agree.

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you can miss

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Yeah, because there's something about poetry that brings you beyond the mind, the mind stuff, just beyond the story itself.

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Like there's something where the story in a good parable or a good poem brings you to that place.

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The mind of the mind.

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yes, yes.

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yes.

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Yeah.

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totally get it, man.

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Like, I think, well, if you think about it, every, uh, like the Bhagavad Gita is actually a poem.

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It's a song,

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Yeah.

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It's

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the

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Lord.

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of the mm-Hmm.

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the Ashtavakra Gita is a song, the song of Ashtavakra.

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You have the most radical non-duality.

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So it's like everything is done in poetic form.

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In fact, the Vedas, the Upanishads is purely poetry.

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And I think people sometimes miss out on the fact that'cause they see written, uh, and then they see the commentary.

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They think, oh yeah, that must be like some, uh, you know, it's not, it's not a poem.

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It's not a poem, but it really is.

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And I'm with you.

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Uh, I think, I think there's a lot like when you read a poem of Rumi's and it can sometimes take you to that oneness straight away.

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And it's not the words actually, it like there's something that's happening behind the words.

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It, it's phenomenal, man.

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Yeah, Right.

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It is.

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Behind the words.

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That's a good way to put it.

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It's the magic behind the words.

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Yeah.

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It's like a

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you, that's a translation.

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Mind you, that's a translation as

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That's true too.

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Yeah.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Yeah.

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There's something special about Sanskrit.

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I imagine if I was fluent in Sanskrit, it would hit differently

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Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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I think so.

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Um, sometimes I I listen to the Bhagavad Gita or the Upanishads, now you can it on, it's on Apple Music.

00:23:35.510 --> 00:23:36.951
I'm sure it's on Spotify too.

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Um, where you can like, listen, I'm sure it's on YouTube, uh, where you can listen to, uh, pe like monks chanting.

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The Bhagavad Gita.

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And

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Yeah.

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I, I will tell you, it's a crazy experience just even listening to it, uh, even though I don't understand the Sanskrit, but there's a power behind, uh, there's a vibration behind those sounds of the eternal, you know

00:24:05.432 --> 00:24:06.573
Some kind of transmission,

00:24:06.756 --> 00:24:07.175
Yeah.

00:24:08.076 --> 00:24:09.246
Which cannot be denied.

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I mean, have you ever done kirtan with a group of people?

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Um, never with a group of, well, yeah, we, I have actually, um, I, I've been through a few even of the ISKCON you know, when they're singing and the chanting, uh, the second not to none really.

00:24:30.471 --> 00:24:31.941
Um, I get, I give'em that.

00:24:31.941 --> 00:24:38.300
I don't agree with their philosophy, but I'll say openly, no one can do kirtan or chanting like them.

00:24:38.570 --> 00:24:40.971
Uh, like they're brilliant.

00:24:41.121 --> 00:24:41.601
They're, they're.

00:24:42.455 --> 00:24:43.355
They're pros, man.

00:24:44.076 --> 00:24:44.766
But yeah, I,

00:24:44.903 --> 00:24:45.192
grows.

00:24:46.296 --> 00:25:11.346
but yeah, I've really, I, I really enjoy it because, uh, like even, um, like I listen to a lot of Sufi, Qawwalis and sometimes the music of the harmonium or the tabla beat, uh, can just take you the place of no sound, if that makes sense.

00:25:11.972 --> 00:25:12.603
yeah.

00:25:13.113 --> 00:25:17.163
You, you like use the sound to go to the place with no sound, where the sound originates from.

00:25:17.796 --> 00:25:18.425
yes.

00:25:18.635 --> 00:25:18.935
yes.

00:25:20.252 --> 00:25:20.432
That

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What about you?

00:25:20.945 --> 00:25:21.726
What about yourself?

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Um,

00:25:24.097 --> 00:25:24.317
Um,

00:25:24.455 --> 00:25:29.316
been to like Kirtan and, and what's been your experiences when you've attended?

00:25:30.573 --> 00:25:33.573
Very, very transcendent and transformative.

00:25:33.573 --> 00:25:39.182
Every time that I've done group Kirtan, it does transport you to.

00:25:39.756 --> 00:25:40.115
Hmm.

00:25:40.367 --> 00:25:47.057
Like you said, the place where the sound comes from, a place of no sound, you almost become the sound, you become the mantra.

00:25:47.867 --> 00:25:51.678
And I feel as though it's exemplified with a group.

00:25:52.038 --> 00:25:54.077
'cause I do plenty of kirtan myself,

00:25:54.851 --> 00:25:55.141
Nice.

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but when you're with a group, there's something like you all get tuned in and dialed in together.

00:26:02.688 --> 00:26:04.038
There's something that goes on.

00:26:04.038 --> 00:26:12.407
And especially Sanskrit, there's something about the connotations of Sanskrit, like the actual, the, uh, how do I, I don't know what the right word is.

00:26:12.407 --> 00:26:13.548
Is it the verbiage?

00:26:13.548 --> 00:26:15.708
Like how it comes off of tongue?

00:26:16.097 --> 00:26:18.167
There's something just like so magical.

00:26:18.317 --> 00:26:29.837
Like for instance, if you, if you, I have songs that I listen to where it's in Sanskrit and they do it in English, and the same meaning in English.

00:26:29.958 --> 00:26:31.428
It just doesn't sound the same.

00:26:31.758 --> 00:26:33.528
It doesn't like the meaning is there.

00:26:33.532 --> 00:26:36.077
I understand what they're saying, but just how it, I.

00:26:37.097 --> 00:26:40.248
Just the, the frequency is just completely different.

00:26:40.248 --> 00:26:46.637
There's something so special about the language man, and um, it's definitely exemplified when you do it with a group.

00:26:46.643 --> 00:26:52.968
Somehow, someway, there's power to it, but yeah, putting it simply ultimately doesn't really matter what they say.

00:26:53.988 --> 00:26:59.837
Doesn't really matter what words are used as long as you use it to bring you to that place.

00:27:00.347 --> 00:27:04.188
The place of no place, you know, the place of stillness, that's all that matters.

00:27:04.188 --> 00:27:12.167
You could use English, you could use Spanish, whatever language, whatever mantra, whatever reminder, whatever totem you decide to hold doesn't matter.

00:27:13.008 --> 00:27:17.807
Um, but Sanskrit for some reason is a very effective totem.

00:27:18.018 --> 00:27:19.788
It's a very effective way to do that.

00:27:19.788 --> 00:27:20.627
I don't know why

00:27:22.385 --> 00:27:25.895
Yeah, I, I, I think that's language in general.

00:27:26.016 --> 00:27:33.516
Um, but yeah, specifically Sanskrit, I think it's because it's been, uh, it's maintained itself.

00:27:34.776 --> 00:27:45.185
Uh, although people may argue that there is, um, some people may say, oh, you know, people don't speak Sanskrit as much anymore, and, and stuff like that.

00:27:45.215 --> 00:27:46.506
There might be some people like that.

00:27:46.510 --> 00:28:00.185
But the fact that it's maintained itself despite so much invasion that's happened to India, um, the fact that it is still stayed relevant, I think is a testament to its origin.

00:28:01.262 --> 00:28:01.653
Hmm.

00:28:01.836 --> 00:28:18.846
and, and yeah, it's definitely from, uh, yeah, those rishis that were practicing Raja yoga and they got that transmission and we read those transmissions today, um, or we hear it, uh.

00:28:19.986 --> 00:28:27.425
It's, you know, it's coming from a place that's beyond this planet and this possibly even this universe, you know?

00:28:27.816 --> 00:28:28.385
Um,

00:28:28.863 --> 00:28:29.462
Oh man.

00:28:29.613 --> 00:28:30.153
That's good.

00:28:30.153 --> 00:28:37.962
I was reading something from the Upanishads, from Sri Aurobindo and, oh, I'm not gonna articulate this well.

00:28:37.982 --> 00:28:39.333
He's so eloquent, man.

00:28:40.113 --> 00:28:46.803
I don't even know if I wanna try, he's saying that, um, you know, the idea of the word became flesh in the Bible.

00:28:48.242 --> 00:28:55.623
That is the truth behind, I don't even know if I wanna, um, I don't want to even destroy what he said.

00:28:56.748 --> 00:29:02.057
But to your point, I'm trying to touch upon your point of like, this didn't come from this universe.

00:29:02.597 --> 00:29:14.897
He's saying there's certain ways to use the word that we're speaking about now that are very poetic, that point you toward the word of the word, you know?

00:29:14.897 --> 00:29:18.557
Because word just symbolism, all words are just symbolizing something.

00:29:18.827 --> 00:29:25.458
But if you use'em in the right way, one that attunes with the logos, it turns that symbol on itself back in.

00:29:26.897 --> 00:29:28.307
And it doesn't come from here.

00:29:28.518 --> 00:29:32.597
Some other like, I mean you could say always here, always one in a true non-dual sense.

00:29:32.597 --> 00:29:33.048
I get that.

00:29:33.048 --> 00:29:36.107
But something that is beyond at least the material world.

00:29:36.347 --> 00:29:42.798
Like there's something God, it brings you to that place where it's all facilitated from.

00:29:44.567 --> 00:29:50.597
And it might also be because Sanskrit is so old and so well-preserved that it brings you there.

00:29:50.718 --> 00:29:58.877
'cause there had to be at one point in our evolution of consciousness where there was only one language most likely.

00:29:59.057 --> 00:29:59.448
Right.

00:29:59.627 --> 00:30:00.528
It only makes sense.

00:30:00.978 --> 00:30:02.567
Sanskrit is one of the oldest ones.

00:30:02.567 --> 00:30:08.867
There's probably just like if there's a branch and a tree of languages, that is probably, it's insane at this point.

00:30:09.137 --> 00:30:15.107
Sanskrit is probably very close to the base layer of the original language.

00:30:15.407 --> 00:30:20.807
In the original language, most likely is the closest that was to God.

00:30:21.167 --> 00:30:21.917
Most likely.

00:30:21.923 --> 00:30:30.557
If I had to imagine the original human language came from like intuition and I believe intuition is all stemming from God.

00:30:30.978 --> 00:30:45.587
So most likely the further you go down the, the, the tree of language, you get closer to the symbolism that brings you most efficiently to God or most efficiently into the here And now.

00:30:45.917 --> 00:30:46.998
If that makes sense.

00:30:47.387 --> 00:30:48.258
You know what I'm getting at?

00:30:48.290 --> 00:30:48.500
Yeah.

00:30:48.560 --> 00:30:48.800
Yeah.

00:30:48.800 --> 00:30:49.490
Absolutely.

00:30:50.361 --> 00:30:51.111
Absolutely.

00:30:52.730 --> 00:31:04.490
And um, and that's an interesting point because if we ever get to experience that original language, I think it is through meditation.

00:31:05.262 --> 00:31:05.682
Mm-Hmm.

00:31:06.096 --> 00:31:12.455
In my, in my opinion, like that's the only way it could enter.

00:31:12.816 --> 00:31:14.915
It's not like it's away from our consciousness.

00:31:15.096 --> 00:31:18.455
It's there, it's present, you know, it is very much there.

00:31:19.086 --> 00:31:25.955
Nothing ever dies, so you, it's all about just really tapping into it

00:31:26.208 --> 00:31:26.657
been there.

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Yeah.

00:31:28.067 --> 00:31:28.607
That's the thing.

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Yeah.

00:31:28.847 --> 00:31:30.498
It's not, it's hasn't disappeared.

00:31:30.738 --> 00:31:33.917
The word, a capital W, it's always there.

00:31:35.117 --> 00:31:39.857
And I don't think it's gonna be in the form, or it's not even gonna be, it's not in the form.

00:31:40.038 --> 00:31:45.167
Like when you access the word per se, the logos, it's not in the form of language.

00:31:45.425 --> 00:31:45.875
Yes,

00:31:45.978 --> 00:31:49.188
It's through the whispers of intuition.

00:31:49.218 --> 00:31:50.298
I got that from Yogananda.

00:31:50.298 --> 00:31:51.917
That's not my original words.

00:31:51.917 --> 00:31:53.688
It's the whispers of intuition.

00:31:54.167 --> 00:32:04.008
And if you don't steal the mind and silent the mind enough, you're not going to be able to hear the whispers of your intuition, the whispers of God.

00:32:04.008 --> 00:32:06.647
It's very subtle and it's not a language.

00:32:07.577 --> 00:32:12.137
You could compute it as a language, as a forethought, you know?

00:32:12.798 --> 00:32:19.157
But that comes afterward, like that, that communication, that link up with the word the logos, which I've used plenty.

00:32:19.698 --> 00:32:32.928
It's, it's something that is, um, you can feel it, you can definitely feel it, become one with it, become very acquainted with the intuitional whispers.

00:32:36.258 --> 00:32:43.548
But it's not something that is like downloaded, like, um, how do I put this?

00:32:45.468 --> 00:32:46.728
It's not like a voice in my head,

00:32:47.625 --> 00:32:47.846
yes,

00:32:47.897 --> 00:32:48.738
you know what I mean?

00:32:48.986 --> 00:32:49.205
yes.

00:32:49.877 --> 00:32:58.788
it's more of just like a subtle direction and subtle discernment that you can tap into, but it's not like I have demons talking to me or anything like

00:32:58.951 --> 00:33:00.905
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:00.905 --> 00:33:01.836
Definitely not that.

00:33:02.165 --> 00:33:18.631
Um, it's interesting because, uh, in, in the, uh, Hindu scriptures and also in the Sikh, scripture, the Guru Granth Sahib, the the Hindus, we call it the anhadh naad and the Sikhs call it the Anhadh Shabad.

00:33:19.080 --> 00:33:31.711
And literally it kind of is talking about the sounds that are, they call it celestial, but basically it is beyond our human comprehension.

00:33:32.070 --> 00:33:42.674
So what you're talking about, I actually kind of vibe with because it's a common practice that you should be able to tap into the anhadh shabad.

00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:44.191
It.

00:33:44.191 --> 00:33:53.661
And basically that's like, um, a lot of gurus use that to see if you are actually getting closer to becoming one with the Formless.

00:33:54.361 --> 00:33:54.661
yeah.

00:33:54.780 --> 00:33:55.681
That's crazy.

00:33:56.016 --> 00:33:56.236
Um,

00:33:57.772 --> 00:33:58.512
It was meant to be.

00:33:58.692 --> 00:33:59.472
That's pretty funny.

00:34:00.256 --> 00:34:00.675
uh, yeah.

00:34:01.260 --> 00:34:04.020
Um, how, how about even knew what to do?

00:34:04.020 --> 00:34:04.391
Anhadh shabad

00:34:04.840 --> 00:34:11.190
not, the anhadh shabd has just created the fireworks, so, um, so yeah.

00:34:11.221 --> 00:34:15.420
Um, yeah, that's what, um, so yeah,

00:34:15.507 --> 00:34:15.958
I mess you up?

00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:16.951
no, no, no.

00:34:17.251 --> 00:34:25.831
Um, but basically it's used as a tool to say that you're getting close to that oneness and

00:34:25.873 --> 00:34:26.233
feel that.

00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.710
sign if you can hear that.

00:34:28.710 --> 00:34:29.311
sound.

00:34:30.150 --> 00:34:35.311
I think what you call the original language you're getting there type of thing.

00:34:36.001 --> 00:34:51.510
You know, it, it, and it makes sense, like logically, I think it makes sense when you're, like, when I say logically in terms of how the spiritual journey is meant to be, uh, kind of prescribed, if you follow a particular tradition, that's a question.

00:34:51.541 --> 00:34:58.621
Um, do you feel like there's a value for tradition, uh, like following a particular lineage?

00:34:58.951 --> 00:35:04.920
Or do you feel that everyone has their own path, but then are there pitfalls to that as well?

00:35:05.221 --> 00:35:12.271
Um, as much as there's of the obvious, um, positives, you know, and are there pitfalls to that?

00:35:13.257 --> 00:35:14.427
Hit me with some good ones, man.

00:35:14.757 --> 00:35:15.327
These are good.

00:35:15.387 --> 00:35:16.137
Making me think.

00:35:16.737 --> 00:35:18.807
Um, I do think there's value to lineage.

00:35:18.927 --> 00:35:20.907
There definitely was before the internet for sure.

00:35:21.387 --> 00:35:21.418
I.

00:35:21.478 --> 00:35:24.507
That's how knowledge was preserved.

00:35:24.898 --> 00:35:31.617
The only way it could be preserved is pretty much through a long game of telephone, through initiated right?

00:35:32.458 --> 00:35:33.387
We didn't have the internet.

00:35:33.597 --> 00:35:35.097
We didn't have record keeping like that.

00:35:35.217 --> 00:35:36.657
We had books, but it wasn't the same.

00:35:37.018 --> 00:35:42.148
And in Lineage, like, how do I put this?

00:35:43.077 --> 00:35:46.077
It preserves knowledge that originally came from the source, right?

00:35:46.077 --> 00:35:51.027
So when I see a monk, especially a Buddhist monk, I see Buddha because really, what's that?

00:35:51.297 --> 00:36:05.577
What that is supposed to be is a link, maybe like a hundred, 200 links, I don't know the exact number, but 200 links all the way to the Buddha's, original Dharma.

00:36:06.590 --> 00:36:06.710
Hmm.

00:36:06.748 --> 00:36:15.237
And each time the link, the chain link was made was one person originally started with Buddha that said, yep, you have the ability.

00:36:15.447 --> 00:36:17.893
You have my, go ahead.

00:36:18.512 --> 00:36:19.092
My okay.

00:36:20.233 --> 00:36:26.802
To preserve this dharma and spread it onto others and also initiate others in the process.

00:36:26.802 --> 00:36:27.643
That's so powerful.

00:36:27.643 --> 00:36:29.922
That's some, that's so that's some Jedi stuff right there.

00:36:29.925 --> 00:36:30.286
Yeah.

00:36:30.376 --> 00:36:30.856
Yeah.

00:36:30.856 --> 00:36:30.916
Yeah.

00:36:31.693 --> 00:36:38.922
I believe that is the, uh, importance of lineage is preserving original dharma.

00:36:38.922 --> 00:36:40.483
'cause if not, then it gets muddy.

00:36:40.663 --> 00:36:43.333
You know, there's so much BS of spirituality on the internet.

00:36:44.262 --> 00:36:50.833
It's like, and even before the internet, there's just, anyone could be spiritual, anyone can call themselves a monk.

00:36:50.833 --> 00:36:57.193
But to have a lineage of tradition preserves just like truth, really.

00:36:57.228 --> 00:37:01.902
Truth is something that is transmitted through generation to people, to people, to people.

00:37:02.413 --> 00:37:05.592
And um, yeah, you don't, you don't need it.

00:37:05.592 --> 00:37:13.362
You don't need to have, you don't need to be a monk for sure, uh, in order to have that knowledge bestowed upon you.

00:37:14.592 --> 00:37:25.003
But I do believe to have that knowledge preserved for all of humanity, we do need to have a lineage where people initiate each other.

00:37:25.452 --> 00:37:37.873
'cause if everybody can just, if everybody can just kind of spew forth the Dharma, I don't know.

00:37:38.233 --> 00:37:41.143
It could get, uh, misconstrued.

00:37:42.072 --> 00:37:47.802
It can get lost in literal translation, it can get lost in interpretation.

00:37:47.983 --> 00:37:51.793
There's just so much wonkiness that could come from it.

00:37:51.793 --> 00:37:53.713
And I think that's happening, to be honest with you.

00:37:53.983 --> 00:37:55.152
I do believe that's happening.

00:37:56.592 --> 00:37:59.057
So, moral of the story, actually.

00:37:59.472 --> 00:38:03.822
How do I, how do I tie this all together because it was kind of a two-pronged question.

00:38:04.032 --> 00:38:16.152
Tradition is important, lineage is very important, but also we live in a beautiful time where you don't need to, you don't need that at all to be honest with you.

00:38:16.632 --> 00:38:17.983
You have to have a keen eye.

00:38:18.958 --> 00:38:28.588
The whispers of intuition to lead you along the way, if not, you will get sucked into pseudo spirituality and just BS.

00:38:28.858 --> 00:38:29.547
Keep it frank.

00:38:30.327 --> 00:38:35.367
So if you don't have that, then I don't know what to tell you.

00:38:35.367 --> 00:38:36.268
I would approach a monk.

00:38:36.387 --> 00:38:39.387
I would approach people like that if you like.

00:38:39.387 --> 00:38:45.418
If you don't know where to start, yeah, go to people that know what they're talking about, or at least seem like they know what they're talking about.

00:38:45.807 --> 00:38:48.478
Go to people that you know monks, if you can.

00:38:48.483 --> 00:38:49.378
There's plenty online.

00:38:49.768 --> 00:38:53.338
There's plenty, and that's how I see them.

00:38:53.342 --> 00:38:56.728
Like when I approach monks and talk to monks, I'm like, okay, these are people of the Dharma.

00:38:57.027 --> 00:39:05.518
I'm gonna approach them and try to just be a, a genuinely curious inquisitor when I'm with them.

00:39:05.523 --> 00:39:09.717
And I've come to find, I used to be intimidated by monks because I'm like, what are this?

00:39:10.302 --> 00:39:16.152
You know, they're like Jedi, like I said, but I've come to find that they love to do that because that is literally their job.

00:39:16.152 --> 00:39:17.052
That is their Dharma.

00:39:17.052 --> 00:39:17.922
That is their sadhana.

00:39:17.983 --> 00:39:21.733
Here they are the, the preservers of the Dharma.

00:39:22.152 --> 00:39:24.163
And also they just want to get the message out.

00:39:24.163 --> 00:39:27.552
They want to spread the Dharma because they have been initiated to do so.

00:39:28.302 --> 00:39:32.893
Um, so if you are on the internet, I would recommend this personally.

00:39:32.893 --> 00:39:35.742
If you are on the internet, you are seeking genuine truth.

00:39:36.432 --> 00:39:41.202
See if you can find some initiated monks, initiated people and start there.

00:39:41.472 --> 00:39:42.253
So it's both.

00:39:42.253 --> 00:39:44.893
You can do this yourself, but it can get messy.

00:39:45.552 --> 00:39:48.762
So do it yourself, but when you're doing it yourself, find a lineage.

00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:49.501
Yeah.

00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:51.286
That's, that's nice.

00:39:52.036 --> 00:39:52.335
Yeah.

00:39:52.755 --> 00:39:53.056
Yeah.

00:39:53.505 --> 00:40:11.626
No, I mean, uh, the reason why I ask that, because you must have interviewed people who probably will be like, there's no need for a lineage or there's, there's, um, you know, everyone has their own in it's, it is a good, um, spiritual bypassing way of when people say everyone has their own journey.

00:40:11.956 --> 00:40:28.606
Um, so it's kind of like, that's why I was asked a question because how do you kind of, when you come across people like that, when you interview them, how do you like kind of, uh, do you ever like probe into that a bit or do you think something best not to be touched type of thing,

00:40:29.547 --> 00:40:30.657
Probe into what?

00:40:30.826 --> 00:40:39.030
like why they feel that they don't need to be part of a lineage and why That is, why they think lineages are messy.

00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:41.585
You know, they, they can be a totally other side to this.

00:40:42.507 --> 00:40:42.748
hmm.

00:40:42.748 --> 00:40:43.617
That's a good question.

00:40:46.498 --> 00:40:47.068
Yeah.

00:40:47.487 --> 00:40:49.047
I don't know if I've ever asked anybody that.

00:40:49.047 --> 00:40:50.818
I've never really, I don't really read probe like that.

00:40:50.818 --> 00:40:52.918
I just let people have their opinion.

00:40:52.978 --> 00:40:57.327
You know, I don't try to challenge, but I'm trying to understand like why someone would think like that.

00:40:57.693 --> 00:41:03.702
I think it's just a lack of understanding within themselves of what the Dharma truly is.

00:41:04.215 --> 00:41:04.295
Hmm.

00:41:05.172 --> 00:41:12.072
And because you can learn a lot without a lineage for sure, but I feel as though you're just missing something.

00:41:12.373 --> 00:41:23.262
You're just like, you're not, I don't know, you're just,'cause I wasn't on that wavelength I wasn't always talking monks, I wasn't always reading the Upanishads and the Gita and the Dao de Ching and stuff like that.

00:41:24.193 --> 00:41:25.393
I wasn't reading the classics.

00:41:26.652 --> 00:41:29.233
Like I got into spirituality, like I said, through meditation.

00:41:29.233 --> 00:41:35.922
But then it was just through from there, you know, um, my Jnana yoga took over, right?

00:41:35.922 --> 00:41:40.512
And I went onto the internet and it didn't start with going to a lineage.

00:41:40.518 --> 00:41:42.132
I, I don't know how it started.

00:41:42.132 --> 00:41:42.282
Yeah.

00:41:42.282 --> 00:41:52.572
Just regular people talking about online, I guess it's just regular YouTubers talking spirituality, using certain buzzwords and parroting and it, that only goes so far.

00:41:52.577 --> 00:41:53.382
Like it gets you there.

00:41:53.387 --> 00:41:57.882
It's better than not, I guess, you know, it's better than just talking about the Yankees, I guess.

00:41:57.882 --> 00:42:00.163
I'm not hating on that, but I'm just saying like, uh.

00:42:01.708 --> 00:42:07.858
You know, it's better than nothing, but it only goes so far because there's something special about someone who lives the Dharma.

00:42:07.858 --> 00:42:11.277
'cause monks, man, I revere them so much.

00:42:12.057 --> 00:42:13.137
I revere'em so much.

00:42:13.438 --> 00:42:18.268
They not only know their stuff off the top of their head, they live their stuff.

00:42:18.273 --> 00:42:19.318
That is their life.

00:42:19.318 --> 00:42:20.818
Their whole life is the ritual.

00:42:20.818 --> 00:42:23.188
Their life is the Dharma, like I said.

00:42:24.478 --> 00:42:29.637
So you're not getting that from somebody, just some random YouTuber online.

00:42:30.447 --> 00:42:32.728
You're not like there's a missing link there.

00:42:32.728 --> 00:42:39.568
And it's that they're not really living the Dharma and not necessarily, I'm not saying everybody has to become a monk

00:42:40.771 --> 00:42:41.251
Right.

00:42:41.938 --> 00:42:45.987
uh, you know, someone that has, is worthy of knowledge.

00:42:48.898 --> 00:42:51.597
It's not, it's, it's hard because we're talking to generalities here.

00:42:51.867 --> 00:42:53.547
You know, everybody's different.

00:42:53.728 --> 00:42:57.958
Everybody who you resonate with is gonna be different from who I resonate with.

00:42:59.367 --> 00:43:00.387
So it's hard to say.

00:43:01.393 --> 00:43:04.842
In a general sense, very general sense.

00:43:05.143 --> 00:43:10.753
Monks just know what they're talking about because they walk the walk, you know, they don't just talk about it.

00:43:10.992 --> 00:43:12.043
It's not just theory.

00:43:12.163 --> 00:43:15.012
It's like they're really living that life.

00:43:15.103 --> 00:43:16.722
They're living the Dharma, as I said.

00:43:17.262 --> 00:43:33.643
So, um, yeah, it's hard to talk in generalities like that, but I would say there's a very large correlation of, um, monks that just know what they're talking about that are aligned with truth.

00:43:34.333 --> 00:43:35.742
It's, it is not a causation for sure.

00:43:35.748 --> 00:43:38.532
There's definitely some wonky monks for sure.

00:43:38.532 --> 00:43:44.952
Like, it doesn't, it's not a guarantee, but it's definitely a correlation between solid knowledge,

00:43:45.701 --> 00:43:46.161
Uh, I, uh,

00:43:46.273 --> 00:43:47.052
solid wisdom.

00:43:47.266 --> 00:43:48.135
yeah, yeah.

00:43:48.195 --> 00:44:02.416
No, I'm with you because I think it's interesting, um, you know, the few, uh, wonky monks as you talk, as you mentioned, uh, they, they are few and far between actually, uh, when you think about it.

00:44:02.476 --> 00:44:02.896
Yeah.

00:44:02.896 --> 00:44:04.695
The, the most decent ones.

00:44:05.746 --> 00:44:07.695
Yeah, they're not gonna be in your face.

00:44:08.266 --> 00:44:11.596
Uh, they're gonna be there on YouTube, but you're gonna have to search for it.

00:44:12.166 --> 00:44:24.016
Um, and you know, for example, like a Ramana Maharishi in India is not in Rishikesh or Haridwar or, uh, Delhi or Mumbai.

00:44:24.135 --> 00:44:30.885
He, uh, he is in some remote place in Southern India.

00:44:32.025 --> 00:44:37.096
You know, like, so, uh, using that analogy for, same thing with the internet.

00:44:37.186 --> 00:44:44.146
I mean, you know, the genuine ones maybe are not what the algorithm wants to present you with.

00:44:44.536 --> 00:44:44.686
You

00:44:44.788 --> 00:44:45.387
that's for sure.

00:44:45.556 --> 00:44:47.385
you have to bypass the algorithm.

00:44:47.385 --> 00:44:51.166
Uh, that's the highways of, uh, that's the highways of India.

00:44:51.405 --> 00:44:52.876
Um, but yeah.

00:44:52.876 --> 00:44:56.865
Um, but yeah, I, I, I'm totally with you on that.

00:44:56.865 --> 00:45:03.076
I think sometimes people get too anti-guru and or.

00:45:03.481 --> 00:45:06.728
And it's just, I disservice

00:45:06.728 --> 00:45:07.213
Understandable.

00:45:07.681 --> 00:45:15.871
yeah, it is understandable if you've been burned, but a lot of people haven't been burned and they cook up, they cook up someone else's story as their own.

00:45:16.231 --> 00:45:46.740
Um, which again, I think can trap you, uh, in, and what tends to happen, I find, is if people haven't actually gone through that path, they, um, like have actually gone to a teacher and learned, uh, if they read somewhere that, you know, something bad has happened, they'd be like, they're like, speak from it, from the microphone, like from their loudspeaker and just be like booming that, uh, kind of thing.

00:45:46.740 --> 00:45:51.900
And I find that's a bit sad sometimes.

00:45:51.990 --> 00:45:57.541
Um, but uh, again, I'd say a majority of people I know are more open.

00:45:58.141 --> 00:45:58.710
Uh.

00:45:59.041 --> 00:46:09.181
Especially now, again, with YouTube, I think it has opened the floodgates where you can get a few really nice swamis who've got popular.

00:46:09.931 --> 00:46:17.010
Um, and I think it's done some service into showing that not everyone is a charlatan.

00:46:17.407 --> 00:46:18.487
Some are pretty cool.

00:46:18.818 --> 00:46:20.978
Um, and some are actually pretty funny.

00:46:21.307 --> 00:46:26.318
Um, so it's, it's kind of interesting.

00:46:26.797 --> 00:46:41.978
Um, is there any one, any teachers, uh, you know, may, maybe two or three that you feel have really made a strong impact on you, and what is it about them or their teachings that created that impact?

00:46:43.429 --> 00:46:44.449
Hit me with the good ones.

00:46:44.539 --> 00:46:46.670
Um, you have some good questions.

00:46:47.900 --> 00:46:48.199
Hmm.

00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:52.340
Well, all of my teachers are not in their body anymore.

00:46:52.753 --> 00:46:53.172
Mm-Hmm.

00:46:54.349 --> 00:47:06.590
Like ones that I revered that really, you know, sullied me along this path, they're, they came and went, and you could still say they're here in their word, but they came and went.

00:47:06.590 --> 00:47:07.789
Number one is Ram dass

00:47:08.612 --> 00:47:08.693
Hmm.

00:47:08.809 --> 00:47:09.380
for sure.

00:47:09.500 --> 00:47:10.280
Ram Dass.

00:47:10.909 --> 00:47:13.579
Something about his eloquence.

00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:14.659
And his humor.

00:47:14.659 --> 00:47:27.440
Like you said something about humor in a teacher, they gotta be funny, somewhat funny because it's like when you start to take them a little too seriously and what they're saying a little too seriously, they throw a good joke in there, let you, you know, weight off your shoulders, let you take it all less seriously.

00:47:27.590 --> 00:47:28.309
That's important.

00:47:28.550 --> 00:47:29.389
It's very important.

00:47:29.690 --> 00:47:34.969
And I think it's important so that you don't mistake the finger pointing at the moon.

00:47:35.677 --> 00:47:36.487
Hmm.

00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:43.429
I think there's something about humor that lets you, you know, there's something that just says, ah, no, I'm not the answer.

00:47:43.429 --> 00:47:44.929
There's something but a good joke.

00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:46.309
Good teacher with humor.

00:47:46.610 --> 00:47:47.750
But, um, Yeah.

00:47:47.755 --> 00:47:49.969
so it was Ram, Dass, who else?

00:47:51.139 --> 00:47:53.269
One that is not associated with yoga.

00:47:53.420 --> 00:47:54.469
Uh, Terrence McKenna.

00:47:54.889 --> 00:47:55.699
He's up there.

00:47:56.690 --> 00:47:57.590
Who else, man?

00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:58.219
Who else?

00:47:58.219 --> 00:47:59.090
There's definitely a list.

00:47:59.090 --> 00:48:00.050
I have a list of masters.

00:48:00.110 --> 00:48:02.269
Let me actually, let me take a few seconds.

00:48:02.269 --> 00:48:05.329
I have a list of masters just because I wanted to make one, one day

00:48:06.427 --> 00:48:07.327
Oh, that's pretty cool.

00:48:07.909 --> 00:48:08.960
Influential teachers.

00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:10.639
Let's see, let's see if I can find her real quick.

00:48:12.695 --> 00:48:13.144
Sorry.

00:48:13.204 --> 00:48:13.505
This is

00:48:13.572 --> 00:48:13.807
No, no.

00:48:14.855 --> 00:48:15.695
is brought to you by,

00:48:19.268 --> 00:48:21.338
You can buy this Yogi tea.

00:48:21.905 --> 00:48:22.355
I got it.

00:48:22.505 --> 00:48:24.844
So this is, this is my list of Masters 19.

00:48:25.295 --> 00:48:26.074
I have 20.

00:48:26.074 --> 00:48:27.394
I never got to number 20.

00:48:27.394 --> 00:48:30.724
It's like I have the 20, but I never like, I never put the name in.

00:48:30.724 --> 00:48:30.965
I guess.

00:48:30.965 --> 00:48:31.864
I'm just trying to think of one.

00:48:32.135 --> 00:48:32.855
All right, here we go.

00:48:33.664 --> 00:48:34.264
Ram Dass.

00:48:35.074 --> 00:48:36.994
Buddha Alan Watts.

00:48:37.324 --> 00:48:38.625
Swami Satyachitananda.

00:48:39.184 --> 00:48:41.554
Yogananda and the Kriya Lineage.

00:48:41.585 --> 00:48:45.155
I like to think of them as like one, you know, like Yogananda's, whole Lineage.

00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:46.355
Nhat Hanh.

00:48:46.954 --> 00:48:47.795
Sri Aurobindo.

00:48:48.485 --> 00:48:49.235
Jesus.

00:48:49.684 --> 00:48:50.704
Swami Sivananda.

00:48:51.034 --> 00:48:52.847
Swami Vivekananda.

00:48:52.847 --> 00:48:53.079
Bhikkhu.

00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:54.164
Buddhadasa.

00:48:54.168 --> 00:48:54.514
Lao Tzu.

00:48:54.844 --> 00:48:55.565
Terence McKenna.

00:48:56.764 --> 00:48:56.795
Jiddu.

00:48:57.425 --> 00:48:58.175
Krishnamurti.

00:48:58.494 --> 00:49:00.010
Ramana Maharshi.

00:49:00.251 --> 00:49:01.889
Nisargadatta Maharaj.

00:49:02.465 --> 00:49:03.364
Aldous Huxley.

00:49:03.574 --> 00:49:03.994
Eckhart.

00:49:03.994 --> 00:49:05.164
Tolle and Mooji.

00:49:05.764 --> 00:49:06.755
And that's my list.

00:49:06.934 --> 00:49:07.835
It's Work in Progress.

00:49:08.525 --> 00:49:09.394
Think it's, I saw a list.

00:49:10.222 --> 00:49:11.302
That's a pretty good list.

00:49:11.362 --> 00:49:11.932
That's a very

00:49:12.065 --> 00:49:13.414
But some of them Mooji still alive.

00:49:13.414 --> 00:49:14.644
I said some of'em aren't in their body.

00:49:14.644 --> 00:49:15.695
Mooji and Eckhart, Tolle.

00:49:15.784 --> 00:49:17.255
I think those are the only two guys that I,

00:49:17.273 --> 00:49:17.753
Yeah.

00:49:17.873 --> 00:49:19.222
And do you say Swami?

00:49:19.222 --> 00:49:19.583
Siva.

00:49:19.588 --> 00:49:20.126
Devananda,

00:49:21.275 --> 00:49:21.875
Sivananda.

00:49:22.248 --> 00:49:22.646
Oh, Siva.

00:49:22.646 --> 00:49:23.333
Devananda, yeah.

00:49:23.338 --> 00:49:24.052
He's passed away.

00:49:24.052 --> 00:49:24.322
Yeah.

00:49:24.327 --> 00:49:25.222
the yeah.

00:49:25.762 --> 00:49:26.813
Yeah, he's passed.

00:49:27.293 --> 00:49:34.643
Um, his, um, uh, his, uh, commentary on the Brahma Sutras a pretty good.

00:49:35.302 --> 00:49:36.713
Um, I really like them.

00:49:36.717 --> 00:49:40.733
Yeah, it's, it's pretty, it's quite comprehensive, but it's pretty good.

00:49:41.824 --> 00:49:42.605
You're quite learned.

00:49:42.605 --> 00:49:46.175
You're, you have read many texts, quite intimidated in that way.

00:49:46.445 --> 00:49:48.364
Like, you know, you've read stuff that I haven't read.

00:49:49.358 --> 00:49:59.347
Uh, sometimes, but again, um, although, yeah, I may have read a bit, but, uh, I always feel like there still so much more I could read.

00:49:59.708 --> 00:50:04.717
Like I still feel like I've read nothing compared to there isn't ocean ahead of me.

00:50:04.722 --> 00:50:10.358
And I've, I'm still collecting shells, you know, and that's what I feel like.

00:50:11.045 --> 00:50:11.405
Yeah.

00:50:12.248 --> 00:50:12.757
but yeah,

00:50:12.757 --> 00:50:13.594
wrhen are you gonna wite your own book?

00:50:14.228 --> 00:50:24.338
but you know, I've written two poetry books, um, but I kind of want to do a third one'cause I feel like I've again, evolved so much since then.

00:50:24.757 --> 00:50:29.438
Um, some evolution could be good or bad, you know, I think there's both in that.

00:50:29.858 --> 00:50:42.338
Um, but yeah, I think, and now I've got a newborn, so now I've been thinking, oh, if I want to, I want to introduce him to spirituality, how can I do it in a simple way?

00:50:42.623 --> 00:50:44.213
So he doesn't get confused.

00:50:44.824 --> 00:50:45.304
How old

00:50:45.862 --> 00:50:47.452
he's four months.

00:50:47.902 --> 00:50:48.563
Um,

00:50:48.605 --> 00:50:49.144
first son?

00:50:49.552 --> 00:50:51.713
first son first one.

00:50:52.043 --> 00:50:52.612
This child.

00:50:52.612 --> 00:50:52.943
Yeah.

00:50:53.873 --> 00:51:09.503
So he's triggered that thought that I wanna create a book, um, that is going to kind of explain the basics, only the basics of the foundation, because the rest of it he has to find by himself,

00:51:10.050 --> 00:51:10.469
Mm-Hmm

00:51:10.523 --> 00:51:17.132
you know, with the aid of a teacher and, uh, a proper lineage or whatever he chooses.

00:51:17.583 --> 00:51:23.702
But that should just be the foundation so he doesn't get confused when he gets on that terrain.

00:51:23.972 --> 00:51:30.333
Um, he can use his discernment, his vivek quite well, and that's big in today's day.

00:51:30.422 --> 00:51:34.532
I mean, if he's too big today, imagine what it's gonna be like in 10, 20 years.

00:51:35.043 --> 00:51:37.983
I mean, he knows what it's gonna look like, so,

00:51:39.014 --> 00:51:43.244
Hopefully exemplified, hopefully to the nth degree of where it is now.

00:51:44.385 --> 00:51:48.945
But it's up to us, up to us creators, to be the shining example for the next generation.

00:51:49.304 --> 00:51:50.295
Not even us creators.

00:51:50.295 --> 00:51:51.614
Us as parents.

00:51:51.764 --> 00:51:57.255
I truly believe that's how we change the world, you know, because podcasts and books really aren't gonna change people's mind.

00:51:57.255 --> 00:51:58.394
They can help guide for sure.

00:51:58.394 --> 00:52:05.594
But really how we change, it's how we change, how we change the world, is through our upbringing.

00:52:06.344 --> 00:52:07.965
Our upbringing of our children.

00:52:09.014 --> 00:52:11.235
I believe that's really where this all comes from.

00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.744
'cause imagine, I don't know, I've definitely asked you about your path, but I forget to be honest.

00:52:14.744 --> 00:52:26.744
But, um, I imagine for myself, I could easily have been on this wavelength if I had the guidance from an early age, you know, if my parents led me there, which they didn't, if my community led me there, which it didn't.

00:52:28.514 --> 00:52:29.295
Can you imagine?

00:52:29.324 --> 00:52:35.085
Well, I imagine not having to go through the struggle, not having to go through those mental ailments.

00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.210
I talked about, you know, not having to suffer to get aligned with God.

00:52:40.050 --> 00:52:42.960
Imagine you're just born, that's such good karma to be born.

00:52:44.250 --> 00:52:53.039
I'm not trying to, you know, not trying to, um, toot your horn here, but it's such good karma to be born in a yogic household.

00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:56.460
I, I can't imagine like you're, uh, it's a blessing.

00:52:56.579 --> 00:53:00.570
Seriously, to be, to be, uh, to be able to be guided from that age.

00:53:01.409 --> 00:53:05.369
I can't imagine he's gonna be a superhuman, you know, if all goes well.

00:53:05.657 --> 00:53:06.217
I hope so.

00:53:06.338 --> 00:53:06.777
I hope so.

00:53:06.782 --> 00:53:13.172
I mean, um, he, but it's, what you said is quite interesting.

00:53:13.623 --> 00:53:24.452
Uh, and, and what, what I've found actually, like even if someone is brought up in a really, in kinda strong spiritual household, it can go the other way.

00:53:25.713 --> 00:53:45.992
Like, um, and, and also you people, what I've also started to discover is it doesn't get rid of, um, the kind of people getting depression or getting mental ailments, uh, even if they have that spiritual teaching.

00:53:46.233 --> 00:53:48.632
In fact, sometimes it can do the opposite.

00:53:48.637 --> 00:53:52.563
People can become blind to the truth that's right in front of them.

00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:54.090
Hidden in plain

00:53:54.393 --> 00:53:54.873
Yeah.

00:53:55.023 --> 00:53:59.402
And, and or they take it too lightly and, um,

00:53:59.579 --> 00:53:59.909
true.

00:54:00.269 --> 00:54:00.599
Yeah.

00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.579
It's almost like you don't know any better because you haven't known any different like, this is it.

00:54:06.329 --> 00:54:07.920
Yeah, this is it.

00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:08.909
This is my life.

00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:10.769
And you don't, yeah, that is true.

00:54:10.769 --> 00:54:17.670
I could see why it would be like you wouldn't want anything to do with it, because that's all you know.

00:54:17.730 --> 00:54:22.329
So I guess there is an importance of guidance in any path.

00:54:22.349 --> 00:54:25.500
It doesn't have to be your children guiding somebody, but only if they want to be guided.

00:54:25.789 --> 00:54:26.894
Like don't force it.

00:54:26.894 --> 00:54:31.934
If you force your children onto the path, you're not doing them any service.

00:54:32.054 --> 00:54:34.425
Ultimately, even if they are your children.

00:54:34.605 --> 00:54:35.864
We all have to do it ourselves.

00:54:35.894 --> 00:54:43.695
Like you, you ultimately, all, you have to have your own inclination within to follow this pursuit of the path.

00:54:44.295 --> 00:54:44.594
yeah.

00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.454
No one's gonna do it for you, even if it's your dad.

00:54:46.793 --> 00:54:47.083
yeah.

00:54:47.507 --> 00:54:59.568
Like, but there is the pressure and I think the pressure's always this and it, and it eventually when you probe into like people and you inquire about why the fireworks keep going on, I dunno what's going on here.

00:54:59.898 --> 00:55:12.318
Um, I think the main thing that happens is, um, the parents aren't living the teaching

00:55:13.070 --> 00:55:13.489
mm-Hmm.

00:55:13.728 --> 00:55:18.978
that is the biggest, uh, kind of, uh, kind of, kind of reason.

00:55:19.038 --> 00:55:25.248
I know a lot of my friends have kind of backed up and said, I don't believe in this because of my parents.

00:55:25.248 --> 00:55:28.157
They're hypocrites and it's like.

00:55:29.684 --> 00:55:29.844
Interesting.

00:55:30.318 --> 00:55:30.858
Wow.

00:55:31.097 --> 00:55:34.938
Uh, so, and, and it's actually a real big thing.

00:55:35.177 --> 00:55:38.748
I find it's so easy to be a hypocrite on this spiritual path.

00:55:39.378 --> 00:55:48.737
I mean, it is, I mean, I hate when people say, oh, it's all about love and truth, but the path towards being towards hypocrisy, it's so freaking easy.

00:55:49.619 --> 00:55:49.980
Mm-Hmm.

00:55:50.057 --> 00:55:51.108
It's unbelievable.

00:55:52.409 --> 00:56:05.909
we're talking general out generalities obviously, so I do believe if you are not faking it and you're not a hypocritical parent, like you're really true, true yogis, which is, that's rare.

00:56:06.329 --> 00:56:06.690
That's rare.

00:56:06.690 --> 00:56:08.340
I think that's actually in the Bhagavad Gita.

00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:10.739
I'm pretty sure there's a passage where if you're born.

00:56:11.864 --> 00:56:13.875
To, um, yogi parents.

00:56:13.875 --> 00:56:15.405
That's some really good karma, man.

00:56:15.434 --> 00:56:16.335
Really good karma.

00:56:16.574 --> 00:56:22.275
So if you are truly born in that household, I think it's a blessing for sure.

00:56:22.335 --> 00:56:26.744
But it could be, if not in a good household, a blessing in disguise.

00:56:26.804 --> 00:56:28.125
I'm sorry, not a blessing in disguise.

00:56:28.724 --> 00:56:33.074
Um, a blessing that is a facade.

00:56:33.224 --> 00:56:35.894
It's not really like,'cause the, they're living a facade.

00:56:35.894 --> 00:56:40.965
The parents are living a fake, yogic life, A fake spiritual life.

00:56:41.295 --> 00:56:42.945
I could definitely see that for sure.

00:56:43.034 --> 00:56:47.625
But if, if you're real, like, if you're real, if you're really aligned, which I don't even know what that looks like.

00:56:47.625 --> 00:56:51.014
I don't think I've ever met any true yogic parents, to be honest with you.

00:56:51.074 --> 00:56:57.824
Maybe you're the first, uh, but if you really are aligned, I think it is truly a blessing.

00:56:57.914 --> 00:57:01.275
Uh, it's just, obviously it's hard to talk in generalities like that.

00:57:01.335 --> 00:57:04.034
There's 7 billion people on earth, so it's hard to say.

00:57:04.307 --> 00:57:07.742
And I, I think you are, um, I think you're right.

00:57:07.742 --> 00:57:09.007
I mean, uh, it's.

00:57:10.353 --> 00:57:15.032
Definitely, uh, well, what he said in the Gita is very true.

00:57:15.273 --> 00:57:21.422
And I, you know, me and my wife, we struggled to, um, conceive.

00:57:22.413 --> 00:57:33.483
There was no reason, you know, we were trying for a couple of years, but one day I read that passage, uh, in the Gita and I was like, you know what?

00:57:33.902 --> 00:57:45.842
Whenever nature feels that a child is ready to be born in this house, it's gonna happen and be, and nothing in the world can stop that from happening.

00:57:46.413 --> 00:57:51.664
And um, and maybe it is a really, like now in inside I, feel it.

00:57:51.670 --> 00:57:54.393
I never say I never express it, but I think yeah.

00:57:55.443 --> 00:58:06.813
That must be a special Jeev or an Atma that's coming to our house and I've gotta serve him, you know, not the other way round where, you know, I'll go be the high and mighty dad and, you know,

00:58:07.034 --> 00:58:07.324
Yeah.

00:58:07.324 --> 00:58:07.326
Yeah,

00:58:07.503 --> 00:58:13.742
gone is that type of old, but now he's like, I've gotta really like, serve him properly.

00:58:14.193 --> 00:58:30.393
And, um, and you know, and, and I think I made conscious choices to ensure none of the generational trauma gets passed, um, from, you know, whatever I had to deal with was my, was my baggage.

00:58:30.422 --> 00:58:35.702
It's not, it's got got nothing to do with him and he should not, uh, bear the burden of that.

00:58:36.570 --> 00:58:37.139
That's huge.

00:58:37.563 --> 00:58:40.052
so it's, it's constant work.

00:58:40.585 --> 00:58:41.005
Mm-Hmm.

00:58:41.313 --> 00:58:46.623
It's, it's re I think it's necessary, um, absolutely necessary.

00:58:47.193 --> 00:58:47.702
Um,

00:58:48.030 --> 00:58:50.400
that's, uh, that's service.

00:58:51.750 --> 00:58:53.099
That service right there, man.

00:58:53.309 --> 00:58:56.039
The yoga of parenting, that's a whole nother level.

00:58:57.273 --> 00:58:57.563
Yeah.

00:58:58.023 --> 00:58:58.242
Um,

00:58:58.289 --> 00:58:58.739
imagine.

00:58:58.800 --> 00:58:59.400
I don't know.

00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:03.690
I don't have any children, so I don't know that feeling like, would, I've heard this plenty of times.

00:59:03.690 --> 00:59:05.760
Like you, you don't know until you have a kid.

00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.849
Like do you, do you feel that now with a four month old?

00:59:08.849 --> 00:59:18.630
Is there something about when you actually have the child, like there is something that is almost instilled in you that you didn't feel before you had your child.

00:59:19.092 --> 00:59:26.327
yeah, you know, I have spoken about this, um, but the moment he was born,

00:59:27.449 --> 00:59:27.750
Hmm.

00:59:27.768 --> 00:59:30.887
knew what unconditional love actually felt like.

00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:32.789
That's powerful, man.

00:59:33.449 --> 00:59:34.050
That's crazy.

00:59:34.248 --> 00:59:36.168
I could, like, can I actually search for it?

00:59:36.197 --> 00:59:41.117
Like, I, I tried to find the beginning of this love and I couldn't,

00:59:42.210 --> 00:59:44.789
What about when you first knew that your wife was, pregnant?

00:59:45.539 --> 00:59:46.289
Did, did you have that

00:59:46.402 --> 00:59:47.842
I think it was, I.

00:59:48.213 --> 00:59:59.958
It, it is, doesn't feel real till you hold him in your or her in your arms and you're like, ah, this is, this is, um, this is a gift.

01:00:01.038 --> 01:00:02.867
And, and that's the way I saw it.

01:00:02.867 --> 01:00:08.123
And, I still see it despite the amount of diapers I've changed and, and all that.

01:00:09.103 --> 01:00:10.242
Um, but

01:00:10.409 --> 01:00:10.829
the yoga.

01:00:11.952 --> 01:00:24.112
yeah, and yeah, I just that's one thing I really felt like I now understood what unconditional love felt like, and I can actually not just limit it to him.

01:00:24.742 --> 01:00:27.963
I can now share that everywhere.

01:00:28.322 --> 01:00:34.623
And I think that means that every parent possibly has access to this.

01:00:35.043 --> 01:00:38.793
It's just about whether they are in tuned to that feeling.

01:00:39.362 --> 01:00:42.782
Um, I think everyone, every parent will feel that unconditional love.

01:00:42.992 --> 01:00:48.362
But whether to transfer that to and share that to the world is a conscious choice.

01:00:48.362 --> 01:01:04.972
I feel not, something that's naturally, I think'cause we are not, we are hardwired, well, I believe we are hardwired to give unconditional love, but we have learned to only limit our love to our circle type of thing.

01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:05.920
mm-Hmm.

01:01:06.143 --> 01:01:09.592
So that's the boundary you keep yourself in, so, um,

01:01:10.594 --> 01:01:11.224
Our family

01:01:11.452 --> 01:01:11.813
Yeah.

01:01:12.262 --> 01:01:12.592
yeah.

01:01:12.652 --> 01:01:26.452
So, and you always have that special affection with your family at, you know, but at, and you'd always give that special attention to them, but that doesn't mean that your love is less for a stranger on the road.

01:01:26.858 --> 01:01:29.438
You know, it's, it's just different.

01:01:29.498 --> 01:01:33.157
Um, but yeah, that's what that, that's the one feeling.

01:01:33.547 --> 01:01:53.681
Um, and we, and me and my little boy Krish, we, we have this thing of, we at night time, we'll read the, well, we'll listen to the Nirvanashatakam of Adi Shankara in Sanskrit, and then we'll do our personal mantra prayer.

01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:56.981
And, um, and then he falls asleep to that.

01:01:57.221 --> 01:02:03.581
So it's kind of, it's, it's a beautiful ritual that I, I, I love.

01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:05.860
And he smiles when he hears the music come on.

01:02:06.190 --> 01:02:09.161
Like, he knows, oh, this is coming, even though it is bedtime.

01:02:09.161 --> 01:02:19.661
And I'm sure he hates bedtime, but, um, but like, it's, uh, it's really nice to see, you know, when I say to him, you know, Shivoham, Shivoham, he just smiles.

01:02:20.201 --> 01:02:22.751
It's just, it's, it's, it's really amazing.

01:02:25.507 --> 01:02:27.501
Oh man, that's, that's powerful stuff.

01:02:27.532 --> 01:02:33.532
I mean, some say that children, I've heard stories of, um, how do I put this?

01:02:34.882 --> 01:02:40.251
Like children just saying mantra Sanskrit mantras.

01:02:40.257 --> 01:02:41.391
They just know them

01:02:42.371 --> 01:02:42.460
Oh,

01:02:42.592 --> 01:02:48.831
somehow some way, and if there are multiple lives, like they're more tuned in with that source.

01:02:49.072 --> 01:02:52.402
And we said that Sanskrit is tuned in to source.

01:02:53.481 --> 01:02:55.402
Uh, I don't know.

01:02:55.402 --> 01:02:56.001
It makes sense.

01:02:56.007 --> 01:03:02.271
Like they're, they're able to draw on this residual memory, the mind of the mind a little easier'cause they're just closer to it.

01:03:02.902 --> 01:03:04.072
They're more pure beings.

01:03:04.161 --> 01:03:04.942
'cause we're all there.

01:03:04.942 --> 01:03:12.561
We just get, uh, we get all right, we get, I was gonna say dirtied.

01:03:12.922 --> 01:03:14.362
We get dirtied along the way.

01:03:14.362 --> 01:03:15.411
Impure, right.

01:03:16.402 --> 01:03:21.262
We just gotta, we gotta purify ourselves to be able to see that it's always there.

01:03:21.262 --> 01:03:27.382
But the children, they're, they, if you're truly, you know, a, a children is, is pure consciousness, essentially.

01:03:27.382 --> 01:03:31.762
They the most pure form of consciousness that we can see in the material form.

01:03:32.362 --> 01:03:36.172
So like, they must just naturally resonate with that stuff.

01:03:36.172 --> 01:03:44.001
If there is some truth to the resonance and frequency of Sanskrit, there's gotta be something to children just loving that naturally.

01:03:44.001 --> 01:03:45.532
There's gotta be, I don't know.

01:03:45.952 --> 01:03:50.242
maybe, uh, maybe I'm just a little, I don't know.

01:03:50.302 --> 01:03:51.952
Maybe it's gotta be, it's gotta

01:03:51.965 --> 01:03:52.255
yeah.

01:03:52.275 --> 01:03:52.721
No, no.

01:03:52.721 --> 01:03:53.771
Yeah, I think you're right.

01:03:53.771 --> 01:04:07.931
I mean, a lot of the, uh, a lot of teachers, um, and a lot of spiritual thought is that a child comes in more or less with less baggage, uh, because then we accumulate more baggage as we grow older.

01:04:08.260 --> 01:04:11.501
Um, so yeah, they come in with that.

01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.349
Uh, and also, they don't have any past to remember.

01:04:16.655 --> 01:04:30.204
Everything else is just muscle memory if you look at it physically but in terms of actual memory that we keep, that is sentimental and emotional, that's something that we kind of get at, at a later age.

01:04:30.210 --> 01:04:32.914
And, so yeah, they have that ability.

01:04:32.914 --> 01:04:35.494
And I guess it's, those are the formative years.

01:04:35.494 --> 01:04:52.155
Maybe, you know, what we're talking about, about getting, you know, giving the right introduction, that is formative years after that, then it's kind of like, yeah, you just have to kind of work it out and you'll get there type of thing.

01:04:53.585 --> 01:04:59.346
it's definitely the formative years for everybody that serves as a foundation for everything else in our life.

01:04:59.556 --> 01:05:01.025
It's our childhood and our upbringing.

01:05:01.835 --> 01:05:04.416
It's interesting because it's, most of it is not up to us.

01:05:04.746 --> 01:05:05.706
It's not up to our will.

01:05:06.065 --> 01:05:13.235
Just something that we're, you know, just happens to us, our childhood, everything, yeah.

01:05:13.266 --> 01:05:14.286
Just happens to us.

01:05:15.755 --> 01:05:15.905
Yeah.

01:05:15.905 --> 01:05:17.856
man, that's makes me believe in karma even more.

01:05:17.916 --> 01:05:33.755
Like how much our childhood and our upbringing affects who we are as individuals and how we live the Dharma, how it comes to us, makes me believe that we, there's not a lot, how do I put this?

01:05:33.755 --> 01:05:35.315
I was gonna say, we don't have a lot of say in it.

01:05:36.036 --> 01:05:40.206
You know, there's, we're just kind of, kind of strung along.

01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:41.588
Hmm.

01:05:42.215 --> 01:05:55.206
In Samsara, we're strung along through our karma and childhood is seems to be like our upbringing, seems to be somewhere where a lot of us reap karma very quickly.

01:05:55.655 --> 01:06:13.416
You know, like a lot of us reap the cause and effect of karma, the effect if there aren't previous lives that we create causes from, it seems to be our childhood is somewhere where the effects really come into being.

01:06:13.838 --> 01:06:14.259
Hmm.

01:06:15.128 --> 01:06:15.789
Yes.

01:06:16.809 --> 01:06:17.349
Yes.

01:06:18.369 --> 01:06:25.143
So, I, I would like to ask you, no, those wonderful thoughts and deep, profound thoughts.

01:06:25.684 --> 01:06:37.844
But like, have you felt that in your own, spiritual journey, has it been very conflicting with your family or have they been very supportive?

01:06:38.273 --> 01:06:45.364
Because it's not, you've gone towards the east and you appear as, uh, someone from the west.

01:06:45.574 --> 01:06:51.184
So, um, so how does, um, yeah, and how has that been for you?

01:06:51.184 --> 01:06:57.213
I mean, is it, is it easy as people make it out to be, or is it pretty challenging?

01:06:59.610 --> 01:07:02.010
Um, for the family life, they don't understand.

01:07:02.221 --> 01:07:09.570
I try to be, uh, evangelical about it in the beginning ultimately I felt how Yeah, exactly.

01:07:09.576 --> 01:07:11.130
'cause I think it's just the byproduct.

01:07:11.161 --> 01:07:14.070
'cause I felt how good I felt, so I'm like, I just wanna bring everybody along, but.

01:07:14.670 --> 01:07:15.360
It's not that easy.

01:07:15.811 --> 01:07:17.641
You can't just, you know, it's not that easy.

01:07:17.641 --> 01:07:20.400
Like we said before, you have to bring yourself to the path.

01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:23.400
Nobody else is really gonna do it for you, and you can't force it upon anybody.

01:07:24.001 --> 01:07:26.641
So, um, yeah, my family don't, they don't really understand.

01:07:26.641 --> 01:07:30.541
I'm still very close with them, but they just unconditionally love me either way.

01:07:30.541 --> 01:07:32.701
They probably just think I'm onto some craziness.

01:07:33.001 --> 01:07:43.050
Maybe I am to a certain extent, but they don't, they don't have any idea about what they have no inclination toward yogic philosophy, unfortunately.

01:07:43.561 --> 01:07:45.871
Um, maybe someday, who knows?

01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:47.940
Maybe that's just not how it was meant to be.

01:07:47.945 --> 01:07:50.701
You know, that's not in the cards, that's not how the cards were dealt.

01:07:51.181 --> 01:07:54.661
But, um, they're fully supportive and they fully love me, and that's really all that matters.

01:07:54.661 --> 01:07:58.501
Unconditional love, you know, that's really all that matters, you know?

01:07:58.981 --> 01:08:02.340
Um, so it's hasn't really been difficult, to be honest.

01:08:02.550 --> 01:08:11.130
Maybe there is some misunderstandings along the way on why I do what I do, but at the end of the day, um, doesn't, I don't.

01:08:11.610 --> 01:08:12.751
I was gonna say, it doesn't really matter.

01:08:12.751 --> 01:08:13.681
It doesn't matter, man.

01:08:13.681 --> 01:08:13.891
Yeah.

01:08:13.891 --> 01:08:15.121
It doesn't matter what they think.

01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.501
I just, I do what I do and they love me, I love them, and that's it.

01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:22.470
And yeah, it's as simple as that.

01:08:22.475 --> 01:08:30.451
I definitely have, uh, been blessed with a supportive family for sure, as in like, supportive, not in the sense of my sadhana, but supportive.

01:08:30.451 --> 01:08:36.810
Just in and just being present, you know, just being good people, you know, good people, you can be a good person and not be into yogic

01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:37.458
yeah.

01:08:37.621 --> 01:08:40.591
So they're just good people and, uh, that's all that matters to me.

01:08:40.591 --> 01:08:42.121
You know, that's really all that matters.

01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:42.498
yeah.

01:08:42.498 --> 01:08:43.519
That's really nice.

01:08:43.788 --> 01:08:45.618
That's, that's what matters.

01:08:45.618 --> 01:08:50.814
I think, even, even like, for example.

01:08:52.224 --> 01:09:18.503
That's, it's interesting you say that because I just think of, I, I've been to so many, like I went to houses in India and every member of the family believed in a different deity or believed in, and, you know, if someone believed in, like, say Krishna, someone believed in Ram, someone believed, or Hanumanji and everyone would be like, kind of arguing amongst each other, who's the best deity.

01:09:18.774 --> 01:09:23.423
So I think it, you know, you can also have the, the other side to it.

01:09:23.423 --> 01:09:30.323
So, uh, I think it's, as long as there's that underlying love and respect, I think that's brilliant.

01:09:30.354 --> 01:09:31.644
I mean, what more do you want?

01:09:32.094 --> 01:09:43.253
It, it gets challenging when I guess from, uh, I'll bring it back to like kind of ourselves is when we feel that they are wrong.

01:09:43.524 --> 01:09:48.894
I think when that happens, uh, that's when spiritual ego kind of takes over.

01:09:48.984 --> 01:09:56.724
And it doesn't matter if we are part of the yogic philosophy or non-yogic, we have faltered right there and then.

01:09:57.095 --> 01:09:58.985
Yeah, They're wrong for being them.

01:09:59.935 --> 01:10:00.591
Very true.

01:10:02.315 --> 01:10:08.046
The best way to go about it, um, is unconditionally love them back and that's it.

01:10:08.796 --> 01:10:10.206
So just be there for them.

01:10:10.206 --> 01:10:15.515
Don't try to like put who you are onto them and it doesn't work like that.

01:10:15.935 --> 01:10:28.055
And that's where another, where I get into past lives, it's like I most likely was a yogi in a past life built upon this sort of foundation of past lives.

01:10:28.775 --> 01:10:32.466
And then I was born into this family that is not on the path.

01:10:32.466 --> 01:10:35.136
They probably weren't on the maybe, but they're not in this one.

01:10:35.945 --> 01:10:48.756
Um, and that's the thing we have to deal with is like, even if you're in a family, like a, a genetic material family, you're still dealing with like other people's karma, other people's past lives.

01:10:49.145 --> 01:10:50.735
And that's where it can get really messy.

01:10:50.735 --> 01:10:54.666
I think just because you're born into somebody's family doesn't mean they're going to align with.

01:10:55.461 --> 01:10:57.770
Your karma in a way that is yogic.

01:10:57.890 --> 01:11:08.180
Like it may be like, you know, obviously like you obviously align somehow with the karma, the cause and effect of it all, but it might, you might not have been in the same monastery

01:11:08.944 --> 01:11:09.163
Yes.

01:11:09.230 --> 01:11:15.890
in a previous life just because somebody is your mom or your dad and working with that is a yoga as well.

01:11:15.890 --> 01:11:16.730
Like working with that.

01:11:16.730 --> 01:11:19.430
Like how do I love these people even though they don't?

01:11:20.421 --> 01:11:21.801
How do I see these people as God?

01:11:22.131 --> 01:11:23.121
Ultimately, that's the goal, right?

01:11:23.121 --> 01:11:28.820
See people as God in drag, even if they don't know they're God, even if they have no inclination toward that whatsoever.

01:11:29.060 --> 01:11:31.341
That's not even just your parents, but everybody.

01:11:32.033 --> 01:11:32.363
yeah.

01:11:32.900 --> 01:11:35.541
the intermingling of all of our karma.

01:11:36.140 --> 01:11:38.751
That's the, that's the work, right?

01:11:39.291 --> 01:11:49.371
That's why we go on and do all this stuff so that we can at all times, hopefully, ideally see people as God in drag and unconditionally love them.

01:11:49.371 --> 01:11:50.390
It's as simple as that.

01:11:50.395 --> 01:11:52.100
I'm pretty sure we've all heard that before, right?

01:11:52.259 --> 01:11:52.548
Yeah.

01:11:53.480 --> 01:12:09.890
Love is the answer, but that's really what it comes down to, man, we do all this work, we go on the path, all of the meditation, all of the books, all of the reminders so that we can remind ourselves that yes, we are a part of fragment of God, but not just us.

01:12:09.951 --> 01:12:11.791
That's a sense of solipsism.

01:12:12.291 --> 01:12:16.131
Everybody else too, they're in on it, even if they don't know, they're in on it.

01:12:16.610 --> 01:12:18.110
Um, yeah.

01:12:18.201 --> 01:12:19.220
So that's it.

01:12:19.220 --> 01:12:20.451
That's really what it comes down to.

01:12:20.451 --> 01:12:24.530
You have to stay on that wavelength as much as possible.

01:12:24.530 --> 01:12:30.740
Whatever you gotta do, whatever you gotta do to get there, to have that recognition, go with that.

01:12:30.980 --> 01:12:32.091
That's what, that's what I say.

01:12:33.144 --> 01:12:34.194
Nice, nice.

01:12:34.371 --> 01:12:34.850
Yeah, man.

01:12:34.904 --> 01:12:40.414
You mentioned group kirtan, and so I wanted to kind of go into, um.

01:12:41.345 --> 01:12:51.614
Do you have, um, obviously from the interviews that you do, your YouTube channel,, conscious perspectives, and, um, do you, have you created community from that?

01:12:51.614 --> 01:13:01.484
And how has that been for you and, and do you find that creating a a a true spiritual community can be challenging in today's times?

01:13:03.081 --> 01:13:10.405
I haven't really created that much of a community other than my channel, like I have that serve as the community, but nothing like a virtual sangha.

01:13:10.706 --> 01:13:13.256
I do have a Discord, not very active in there.

01:13:13.525 --> 01:13:15.296
Got maybe 30 members.

01:13:15.865 --> 01:13:16.496
Very low key.

01:13:16.496 --> 01:13:21.626
I don't advertise it, so I haven't created a community of discourse per Sewa.

01:13:22.256 --> 01:13:27.595
Um, I just have the YouTube channel serve as that in the comment section in the community section.

01:13:27.595 --> 01:13:29.546
So not really.

01:13:29.921 --> 01:13:31.150
Kind of getting there.

01:13:31.150 --> 01:13:39.820
I know there's definitely people that are a lot more in-depth with, um, their presence in a community such as just court or maybe forums.

01:13:40.360 --> 01:13:44.140
Um, I haven't felt the need to do that.

01:13:44.140 --> 01:13:44.650
I don't know why.

01:13:44.650 --> 01:13:50.680
I don't really feel like is beneficial for me or anybody.

01:13:51.280 --> 01:13:52.091
I don't know why.

01:13:52.091 --> 01:13:54.640
I just figured, like just leave a YouTube comment

01:13:55.225 --> 01:13:55.515
Yeah.

01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:55.649
Yeah.

01:13:56.081 --> 01:13:59.711
Like, I don't, I don't know why that's just not maybe in the future for sure.

01:14:00.220 --> 01:14:09.371
Um, I think because I'm, there's a part of me that's afraid to have people see me as the guru or the leader of the commune, per se.

01:14:09.761 --> 01:14:10.541
I don't want that.

01:14:10.546 --> 01:14:14.530
I, I don't want that at all, even though I know my YouTube channel is named after me.

01:14:14.831 --> 01:14:18.371
I don't want necessarily people approaching me with questions.

01:14:18.820 --> 01:14:23.770
Because, uh, I just don't feel as though that's my sadhana, that's not my service here.

01:14:24.041 --> 01:14:25.900
Like to be the question and answer guy.

01:14:25.930 --> 01:14:27.581
There's plenty of others out there like that.

01:14:28.001 --> 01:14:34.360
I will if people do approach me, and there's sometimes people do, but I don't wanna like actively create that.

01:14:34.360 --> 01:14:35.831
I don't know why there's something in me.

01:14:35.836 --> 01:14:37.871
It's like, don't, I don't know.

01:14:37.871 --> 01:14:40.240
Maybe it's because I do it to check my own ego.

01:14:40.301 --> 01:14:44.770
Like, uh, I don't feel maybe not integrated enough to be able to have that responsibility.

01:14:45.341 --> 01:14:45.970
Who knows?

01:14:46.060 --> 01:14:46.541
Who knows?

01:14:46.541 --> 01:14:48.490
But I'm talking on the importance of community.

01:14:48.490 --> 01:14:50.831
I do believe community is very important.

01:14:51.070 --> 01:15:03.911
So even if you don't find a community with me, even though I do have a low-key community on through my channel, but I do believe it's important to tap in with other people and have discourse with other people in any form of community that you find.

01:15:04.390 --> 01:15:07.841
Just because, um, I don't know, it's just good discourse is good.

01:15:08.230 --> 01:15:09.940
It's the three jewels of Buddhism, right?

01:15:09.940 --> 01:15:12.371
It's the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha.

01:15:12.371 --> 01:15:12.400
I.

01:15:13.180 --> 01:15:13.600
Listen.

01:15:13.900 --> 01:15:15.251
Can't negate that one.

01:15:15.461 --> 01:15:19.270
So I do believe community is extremely important.

01:15:19.270 --> 01:15:27.461
This path, I, my community is the people, like my person, like people that I view as community is the people that I just come on here and speak with in the conversations just like this.

01:15:27.820 --> 01:15:29.770
But having one that is centered around me.

01:15:30.280 --> 01:15:30.490
Hmm.

01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:30.791
I don't know.

01:15:30.796 --> 01:15:31.480
That's scary to me.

01:15:31.841 --> 01:15:32.261
I don't know.

01:15:32.291 --> 01:15:35.831
I don't want like, to me to be the guy, you know?

01:15:35.860 --> 01:15:37.690
'cause I I don't know.

01:15:37.841 --> 01:15:41.171
I just, I just see how it could get, could get a little messy.

01:15:41.774 --> 01:15:42.194
Yeah.

01:15:42.795 --> 01:15:59.444
Uh, it, it is interesting because, um, obviously I've tried to, I mean, you make, you make that conscious effort to try and bring it about the, um, say the podcast or, you know, um, it's not about me, the person, uh, and.

01:15:59.909 --> 01:16:01.619
I remember I used to do a lot of lives.

01:16:01.619 --> 01:16:09.029
Obviously life has changed where I can't do any TikTok lives or YouTube lives and stuff, but I used to get people on, they'd be like, oh, are you a guru?

01:16:09.180 --> 01:16:10.260
And I'm like, no.

01:16:11.130 --> 01:16:14.069
I mean, I have a guru, so why would I be a guru myself?

01:16:14.460 --> 01:16:19.649
And two, I don't, I'm not comfortable with that either.

01:16:20.010 --> 01:16:27.180
Like I feel, again, I'm not, uh, I'm only, uh, whatever I'm teaching is only what I've learned so far.

01:16:27.180 --> 01:16:30.510
And I believe there's a lot more that I can share.

01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.380
Uh, and that's, um, and, and learn along the way.

01:16:34.380 --> 01:16:50.310
So it's like if I'm, if I'm someone who's learning and still kind of, um, trying to progress and trying to get to the ultimate stage of liberation, uh, how can, how can you see me as a, as a, a guru?

01:16:50.314 --> 01:16:56.039
And so I'm very, and the thing is, the, the worst thing is the moment you put yourself on a pedestal.

01:16:57.314 --> 01:17:05.954
It's very, you made the, the one, you make that one, uh, kind of, um, you make that one exception to the rule.

01:17:06.975 --> 01:17:09.704
Then you've, you, you've opened the floodgates.

01:17:10.105 --> 01:17:10.395
Yeah.

01:17:10.784 --> 01:17:13.845
So I think it's, yeah, you have to make that conscious choice.

01:17:14.501 --> 01:17:14.980
Yeah, man.

01:17:15.011 --> 01:17:18.730
At least you're mature enough to, see that and that you don't wanna do that yourself.

01:17:18.730 --> 01:17:20.501
Like you're like, you're two steps ahead of yourself.

01:17:20.921 --> 01:17:21.310
You know your

01:17:21.385 --> 01:17:26.715
have to, you have to man, like, um, like I have Patreon and everything and it is centred.

01:17:26.715 --> 01:17:30.164
Like I can see it's centred around me and my content.

01:17:30.854 --> 01:17:33.585
But again, it's the content that's speaking, not me.

01:17:33.795 --> 01:17:36.104
I mean, I am only there because of the content.

01:17:36.734 --> 01:17:39.225
The moment the content goes, I do not exist.

01:17:40.154 --> 01:17:40.364
And I

01:17:40.426 --> 01:17:41.324
Haha.

01:17:41.326 --> 01:17:41.615
Yeah.

01:17:42.074 --> 01:17:55.305
I think, uh, once that's set in your brain, um, and once people also know that you're part of a lineage and you have a guru and you, uh, I think people then naturally stop.

01:17:55.395 --> 01:17:55.994
Um.

01:17:56.925 --> 01:18:02.204
Kind of trying to actually, people are trying to like, kinda give you the pump, right?

01:18:02.204 --> 01:18:08.654
They're trying to like kind of prop you up and, um, I think that lessens and I don't get that anymore.

01:18:08.895 --> 01:18:10.364
Um, which is good.

01:18:10.965 --> 01:18:19.395
Um, I get a lot more people who just wanna be my friend and I'm like, I can help you as a friend,

01:18:20.110 --> 01:18:21.100
Yeah, that's better off.

01:18:21.380 --> 01:18:23.654
and I'm, more comfortable helping you as a friend.

01:18:24.194 --> 01:18:29.085
Um, because if I give you advice, it can be wrong.

01:18:30.036 --> 01:18:30.456
mm-Hmm.

01:18:30.914 --> 01:18:32.595
like a friend, you have to forgive me.

01:18:33.194 --> 01:18:36.765
Um, and, um, and I will apologize.

01:18:36.914 --> 01:18:38.024
I have to say sorry.

01:18:38.856 --> 01:18:47.336
I think, but I think there's a place for people like us who are in the like intermediary position type of thing.

01:18:47.725 --> 01:18:50.996
Um, you know, we are, we are not monks, but at the same time.

01:18:51.506 --> 01:19:00.895
Uh, we are kind of the, I would say like we are the, like, I like to see myself as someone who is like this.

01:19:01.735 --> 01:19:12.055
I would like to be, I would say the, the first good step and, and basically someone's gonna lift you

01:19:12.317 --> 01:19:12.606
Yeah.

01:19:13.162 --> 01:19:13.971
like, an introduction.

01:19:14.246 --> 01:19:14.576
Yeah.

01:19:14.725 --> 01:19:16.886
A good introduction and there's someone better than me.

01:19:17.533 --> 01:19:18.853
I, I approach it in the same way.

01:19:18.853 --> 01:19:18.972
yeah.

01:19:18.972 --> 01:19:21.823
Here's someone way more eloquent than I am.

01:19:21.992 --> 01:19:22.396
yeah, yeah.

01:19:22.787 --> 01:19:23.417
Go to them.

01:19:23.716 --> 01:19:24.287
Um,

01:19:24.672 --> 01:19:25.243
exactly.

01:19:25.487 --> 01:19:27.617
exhaust as much as me as you can.

01:19:28.337 --> 01:19:32.777
And then, and, and I'm open to say, I, I have my limitation.

01:19:33.167 --> 01:19:34.186
I have a boundary.

01:19:34.726 --> 01:19:37.966
Um, so you have to kind of, um, do that.

01:19:37.966 --> 01:19:44.266
And when you have Q&A's, like especially in those, you have to make sure you set the.

01:19:45.091 --> 01:19:46.981
Um, it's something Rupert Spira said.

01:19:47.042 --> 01:19:47.912
I really liked it.

01:19:47.942 --> 01:20:01.862
He, he was in one of his webinars and he said, um, that when you ask me a question, yes, I'm the teacher, but when I, if I ask you a question and you have to answer, you are now the teacher.

01:20:01.867 --> 01:20:02.942
I'm now the student.

01:20:03.421 --> 01:20:04.292
And I like that.

01:20:04.381 --> 01:20:11.761
I was like, yeah, man, the guy could be a real deal here because he's just said that nobody really likes to say stuff like that.

01:20:12.481 --> 01:20:16.412
Uh, if they wanna make it big as a, a non-dual teacher.

01:20:17.407 --> 01:20:18.306
So, um,

01:20:18.408 --> 01:20:18.828
mm-Hmm

01:20:19.171 --> 01:20:21.002
so yeah, it's, it's interesting.

01:20:21.061 --> 01:20:26.912
So I think seeing yourself as a friend is probably more beneficial

01:20:27.087 --> 01:20:27.167
hmm.

01:20:28.051 --> 01:20:30.481
uh, someone seeing you as a teacher, I think.

01:20:30.841 --> 01:20:32.521
Or seeing me, one teacher.

01:20:33.523 --> 01:20:35.863
Ultimately that means just seeing yourself as equal.

01:20:36.542 --> 01:20:37.112
Yeah.

01:20:38.492 --> 01:20:38.971
I mean,

01:20:38.997 --> 01:20:44.908
just because you're a subscriber doesn't mean I'm better than you, or you're a follower of me doesn't mean I'm better.

01:20:45.717 --> 01:20:46.858
Like, seeing yourself as equal.

01:20:46.858 --> 01:20:50.188
to everybody else is very important.

01:20:50.881 --> 01:20:51.542
Yes.

01:20:52.202 --> 01:20:59.731
And ultimately, uh, the philosophy that I follow is that we are all this one formless entity, pure consciousness.

01:21:00.452 --> 01:21:02.612
So how can I even be better than you?

01:21:03.452 --> 01:21:05.822
It, it will go against the philosophy that I believe in.

01:21:06.567 --> 01:21:06.867
You know?

01:21:07.287 --> 01:21:08.067
Do you see what I mean?

01:21:08.207 --> 01:21:24.902
So it is like that philosophy doesn't allow me to, that philosophy has liberated me at the same time, has kept me in a nice boundary, uh, uh, a boundary that I know is an illusion, but only I should know it's an illusion.

01:21:24.907 --> 01:21:27.572
Nobody else, it's nobody else's business.

01:21:27.572 --> 01:21:27.631
Um,

01:21:28.153 --> 01:21:28.372
Uh.

01:21:28.832 --> 01:21:32.792
but, um, but yeah, it's, it's kind of cool.

01:21:32.851 --> 01:21:42.601
But I was interested to ask you, because like you've interviewed so many people and you know, the interviews I've watched personally have been like kind of.

01:21:45.572 --> 01:21:52.381
I feel because you are quite centered, the other person naturally kind of grabs that vibe.

01:21:53.337 --> 01:21:57.552
I think so sometimes it takes a little bit, by the half an hour mark and like, all right.

01:21:59.792 --> 01:22:02.221
but like, um, but yeah.

01:22:02.521 --> 01:22:14.822
Uh, but, and I've seen kind of, and you ask from a place of wanting to know more, a desire to kind of, uh, progress yourself.

01:22:14.822 --> 01:22:23.282
And I think when that happens, when you, I think, you know, I think that's why I was like, you must have a community around him and I wonder what that's like.

01:22:23.702 --> 01:22:29.881
Um, you know, because you say cool stuff in interviews too, so it's not, you know, um,

01:22:30.028 --> 01:22:30.597
stuff in interview.

01:22:30.627 --> 01:22:30.927
Oh,

01:22:31.051 --> 01:22:32.582
in your, in your, in your

01:22:32.967 --> 01:22:33.898
Sometimes here and there.

01:22:33.898 --> 01:22:34.768
I trickle it in there.

01:22:35.097 --> 01:22:35.637
Some stuff.

01:22:36.747 --> 01:22:47.097
Well, on the note of why I don't want to like have any sort of community that I tap in with regularly is because I still do feel as though I'm learning.

01:22:47.127 --> 01:22:49.287
Like I am genuinely curious and learning.

01:22:49.287 --> 01:22:51.448
When I come on here, it's not just some kind of show.

01:22:51.717 --> 01:22:56.337
Like when I bring somebody on, I'm like, all right, well they're the guru and I'm gonna learn from them.

01:22:56.877 --> 01:22:59.547
And that's how I approach every single interaction.

01:22:59.547 --> 01:23:01.078
So I don't feel like.

01:23:01.887 --> 01:23:08.757
Uh, I don't feel like the, my Dharma here, my service here is to be the guru.

01:23:09.207 --> 01:23:17.337
Uh, my guru ship, if you wanna call me a guru, is to be almost like the, the curious mind of the listener

01:23:18.112 --> 01:23:18.192
hmm.

01:23:18.297 --> 01:23:19.078
follow that.

01:23:19.257 --> 01:23:19.648
That's it.

01:23:19.648 --> 01:23:21.297
Like I'm the one that ask questions.

01:23:21.597 --> 01:23:23.818
I don't exactly know how to answer stuff.

01:23:23.818 --> 01:23:31.467
Sometimes it's very hard to answer stuff'cause you have to answer from a place of generality and that's very tough'cause everybody has their own subjective experience.

01:23:31.467 --> 01:23:32.578
So it's hard to answer.

01:23:32.698 --> 01:23:35.938
I really do find it hard to answer some questions.

01:23:36.448 --> 01:23:44.488
Um, so at this point in time, yeah, I just approach my path is just approaching it as a seeker.

01:23:44.488 --> 01:23:54.177
And I know people hate to say that word, but just a spiritual seeker and going with that, just genuinely genuine questioning what this person is about.

01:23:55.063 --> 01:23:57.313
Keeping it, That that's as simple as that man.

01:23:57.672 --> 01:24:05.052
And uh, there is some kind of community that is formed around that, but not in the sense that like a commune, I'm not starting to commune anytime soon, you know?

01:24:07.396 --> 01:24:07.686
Yeah.

01:24:07.686 --> 01:24:08.846
That would, Yeah.

01:24:10.171 --> 01:24:11.702
that, that would definitely get headlines.

01:24:11.912 --> 01:24:12.301
Yeah.

01:24:12.362 --> 01:24:13.292
It's the cult of Gary.

01:24:15.230 --> 01:24:15.650
Not yet.

01:24:15.801 --> 01:24:17.666
I want to not go down that route.

01:24:17.671 --> 01:24:20.301
I wanna avoid that as much as possible.

01:24:20.301 --> 01:24:22.131
You know, I don't want that at all.

01:24:22.341 --> 01:24:24.381
Just want to be the guy, like, you follow me?

01:24:24.381 --> 01:24:25.131
It's like hands off.

01:24:25.161 --> 01:24:28.190
Like I approach my creation as very hands-off.

01:24:28.190 --> 01:24:30.860
Like I'm just, I'm doing me, I'm doing me.

01:24:31.161 --> 01:24:32.570
And just throwing it out there.

01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:33.650
You guys can follow me.

01:24:33.650 --> 01:24:40.371
And that may seem like a little shallow, but that's so that I avoid the complex of like, I'm important.

01:24:40.376 --> 01:24:42.650
Look at me, I make YouTube videos.

01:24:42.655 --> 01:24:44.150
You don't, I'm cool.

01:24:44.155 --> 01:24:44.720
You're not.

01:24:44.780 --> 01:24:46.836
Like I don't wanna get involved with that.

01:24:46.836 --> 01:24:50.466
It's very, maybe because I know my own ego, so I do that to check myself.

01:24:50.466 --> 01:24:54.786
But that's just, that's just how, where I feel that I'm at in the process right now.

01:24:54.791 --> 01:24:56.405
So I avoid the cult of Gary.

01:24:56.729 --> 01:24:58.703
Yeah, that's good.

01:24:59.304 --> 01:25:00.203
That's to know.

01:25:00.594 --> 01:25:01.163
um,

01:25:01.176 --> 01:25:02.735
Also, two steps ahead of my ego.

01:25:03.095 --> 01:25:03.515
Sorry.

01:25:03.828 --> 01:25:04.048
No.

01:25:04.048 --> 01:25:04.288
Yeah.

01:25:04.583 --> 01:25:09.213
And I think that humility, in spirituality is very much required.

01:25:09.724 --> 01:25:11.703
I think it's one of the basic things we need.

01:25:12.043 --> 01:25:21.823
If we lack that humility and honesty, I, I don't feel anyone can go far on the

01:25:21.956 --> 01:25:22.435
Oh, yeah.

01:25:23.395 --> 01:25:23.786
yeah.

01:25:24.171 --> 01:25:27.145
Humility and knowing that you don't know, right?

01:25:27.836 --> 01:25:29.095
That's Socrates right there.

01:25:29.264 --> 01:25:29.684
yeah.

01:25:30.235 --> 01:25:32.155
You have to know that you don't know truly.

01:25:32.155 --> 01:25:34.615
That's the only thing that I could really say that I know.

01:25:34.945 --> 01:25:40.105
That's the only truth that I could really convey is that I have no idea.

01:25:40.376 --> 01:25:41.845
I have really no idea.

01:25:42.283 --> 01:25:42.644
Yeah.

01:25:44.054 --> 01:25:52.934
And you know, the, the, the interesting thing here is if to put a Vedantic spin on that you are the awareness that says they don't know.

01:25:54.314 --> 01:25:54.583
Yeah.

01:25:54.644 --> 01:25:56.923
Like you are, you are just that awareness.

01:25:57.850 --> 01:25:58.390
That's it.

01:25:58.724 --> 01:26:00.434
That says, I don't know.

01:26:01.243 --> 01:26:01.963
It's simple as

01:26:02.105 --> 01:26:02.305
really it.

01:26:03.206 --> 01:26:03.655
Yeah.

01:26:03.823 --> 01:26:09.764
can, how can anyone get an ego from just being aware it, it's impossible.

01:26:09.823 --> 01:26:14.413
Well, I'm sure people can make it a possibility, but I find it to be impossible.

01:26:14.413 --> 01:26:16.484
'cause nothing sticks to it.

01:26:17.275 --> 01:26:24.805
Yeah, If you're truly living that awareness, then no, you're not going to be inclined to have an ego.

01:26:24.805 --> 01:26:27.386
But it's so like, it's hard, man.

01:26:27.386 --> 01:26:28.706
It's not easy to do.

01:26:28.945 --> 01:26:36.716
There's a reason why we revere people like Romana Maharshi, and saints of that nature, because they are there.

01:26:36.780 --> 01:26:38.216
That's, that's them.

01:26:38.801 --> 01:26:40.570
That's them few and far between.

01:26:40.570 --> 01:26:41.951
They're a saint for a reason.

01:26:42.344 --> 01:26:42.913
Yes.

01:26:43.211 --> 01:26:45.070
There's other people that seem saintly.

01:26:45.070 --> 01:26:47.621
They wear the robes, they change their name.

01:26:47.774 --> 01:26:47.953
Yeah.

01:26:48.100 --> 01:26:51.820
They have charisma, but they're not actually acting from that place.

01:26:51.820 --> 01:26:54.640
And this is the, this is the topic that I like to get into with people.

01:26:54.791 --> 01:27:02.381
It's like, all right, so now that you, here, you have this awareness, you have the sense of oneness, you have the sense of self with the uppercase S.

01:27:03.371 --> 01:27:06.251
How does that change how we see you?

01:27:06.256 --> 01:27:07.240
How do you act?

01:27:07.240 --> 01:27:09.881
Like, how does that change your will here?

01:27:10.390 --> 01:27:12.400
'cause that's what's really important, right?

01:27:12.400 --> 01:27:12.402
How?

01:27:12.671 --> 01:27:13.961
How we change our ourself.

01:27:14.291 --> 01:27:25.751
So if you really are resonating in that frequency, the frequency of unconditional love of God, you're way past your egotistical manifestations.

01:27:25.756 --> 01:27:28.780
Like they're not gonna take a hold of you if you're really there.

01:27:29.740 --> 01:27:32.801
It's not, you don't have to worry about.

01:27:33.836 --> 01:27:35.756
Starting a cult, it just won't happen.

01:27:35.756 --> 01:27:38.845
Now your character won't allow that to happen.

01:27:39.115 --> 01:27:46.435
You know, it's, um, it's just like a changing of will, like universal will trumps the ego,

01:27:47.048 --> 01:27:47.128
Hmm.

01:27:47.576 --> 01:27:48.506
no matter what.

01:27:48.895 --> 01:27:53.246
But it's easy to bypass that and think you are the divine holy one.

01:27:53.996 --> 01:27:55.376
That's like the last trap, right?

01:27:55.376 --> 01:27:56.546
The spiritual trap.

01:27:56.905 --> 01:27:59.126
That, that, that's where the guru complex comes

01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:00.059
yeah, yeah.

01:28:00.145 --> 01:28:03.956
they're there, they think they've mastered it all, but mm-hmm.

01:28:04.166 --> 01:28:05.305
It's just the ego.

01:28:05.876 --> 01:28:06.775
It's just the ego.

01:28:06.780 --> 01:28:08.725
And that could be a really tricky trap.

01:28:09.055 --> 01:28:12.956
How do you dispel the spiritual ego when you think you've made it per se?

01:28:13.078 --> 01:28:13.649
Hmm.

01:28:14.155 --> 01:28:15.025
Oh, that's tough.

01:28:15.025 --> 01:28:16.555
I feel like That's some bad karma.

01:28:16.918 --> 01:28:17.309
Yeah.

01:28:17.314 --> 01:28:17.878
Yeah.

01:28:17.878 --> 01:28:19.139
That, yeah.

01:28:19.229 --> 01:28:19.259
I

01:28:19.286 --> 01:28:21.655
The, guru that is the fake guru, you

01:28:21.689 --> 01:28:21.809
yeah.

01:28:22.618 --> 01:28:25.078
Do you ever get like asked, are you enlightened?

01:28:27.180 --> 01:28:27.301
hmm.

01:28:27.899 --> 01:28:29.788
the only in the comments just like, be like, are

01:28:29.935 --> 01:28:31.345
I've got a question one time.

01:28:31.345 --> 01:28:32.695
Are you a Bodhi sattva?

01:28:33.206 --> 01:28:34.916
And I didn't know how to answer that.

01:28:35.395 --> 01:28:37.046
I said, we're all the Bodhisattva.

01:28:38.636 --> 01:28:42.115
I've got one person that said, you are my guru, or I see you as my guru.

01:28:42.121 --> 01:28:43.886
I'm like, oh God, don't say that.

01:28:45.355 --> 01:28:46.886
And yeah, I've gotten that.

01:28:46.886 --> 01:28:48.506
I don't think I've ever gotten, are you enlightened?

01:28:48.506 --> 01:28:51.416
Because I'm usually the one asking the questions, and I never ask that question.

01:28:51.445 --> 01:28:52.435
Don't ask that question.

01:28:52.676 --> 01:28:58.195
Don't just, that's like to a real, if you're somebody's really enlightened, you're not gonna, you're not gonna have to ask the question.

01:28:58.195 --> 01:28:58.645
Like,

01:28:58.759 --> 01:28:59.048
Yeah,

01:28:59.395 --> 01:29:05.876
know, you know, there is some level of awakening or enlightenment just by how they carry themselves.

01:29:06.326 --> 01:29:10.136
So that question is just really immature, to be honest with you.

01:29:10.166 --> 01:29:12.445
That's some, like elementary stuff.

01:29:12.445 --> 01:29:14.725
But, um, I don't think I've ever been asked that to be honest.

01:29:14.725 --> 01:29:18.265
And I think it's because, uh, like I, said, I'm usually the one asking questions.

01:29:18.673 --> 01:29:19.094
Yeah.

01:29:19.363 --> 01:29:22.778
I, I've had, I've had it on like I TikTok

01:29:22.826 --> 01:29:23.456
What do you say?

01:29:24.014 --> 01:29:25.154
and I just said.

01:29:25.498 --> 01:29:35.399
Um, I always, uh, yeah, uh, um, I think I may have had it once or twice on YouTube, but definitely on TikTok.

01:29:35.849 --> 01:29:40.469
Uh, I turned around and said, even if I am enlightened, I'm never telling you'cause it's none of your business.

01:29:41.009 --> 01:29:41.578
And,

01:29:41.876 --> 01:29:42.645
It's a good way to put it.

01:29:43.078 --> 01:29:47.639
I mean, it really isn't, like, I don't think anyone needs to know.

01:29:48.779 --> 01:29:50.368
I mean, I kind of, yeah.

01:29:50.368 --> 01:29:51.748
In my household, yeah.

01:29:51.748 --> 01:29:57.118
We, I joke around and, uh, you know, I, I'd be like, yeah, I'm the enlightened one.

01:29:57.118 --> 01:30:02.998
You know, it is like creating that whole like, facade of, uh, and mocking when people think they're enlightened.

01:30:03.689 --> 01:30:19.189
Uh, and I make jokes about that, but yeah, uh, I have learned that some of these jokes can kind of, people can misunderstand it, so I have to keep my weird sense of humor sometimes, you know, just, I just share that with my wife.

01:30:19.189 --> 01:30:25.189
But my honest feeling is always, even if I was enlightened, it doesn't matter.

01:30:25.969 --> 01:30:27.139
It really doesn't.

01:30:27.708 --> 01:30:36.319
Um, it, because what is saying it is enlightened is only name and form, and that's not even real.

01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:38.059
So

01:30:38.195 --> 01:30:38.475
exactly.

01:30:39.088 --> 01:30:44.003
Also, I'm like, even if I did answer yes, what difference does that make?

01:30:44.663 --> 01:30:53.783
Like, is that person suddenly gonna come by and like, offer me, offer me a Rolls, Royce or something like, yeah,

01:30:56.001 --> 01:30:56.240
Yeah.

01:30:56.240 --> 01:30:56.570
Right.

01:30:56.751 --> 01:30:56.871
Yeah.

01:30:56.871 --> 01:30:57.350
What is that?

01:30:57.501 --> 01:30:57.980
I don't know.

01:30:58.463 --> 01:30:58.734
Like

01:30:58.850 --> 01:31:02.661
Where does that question come from, I guess is a good quandary to go into?

01:31:02.661 --> 01:31:05.570
Like, why is this person asking me if I'm enlightened?

01:31:06.440 --> 01:31:07.400
Like, what do they wanna know.

01:31:07.405 --> 01:31:07.911
about that?

01:31:07.911 --> 01:31:08.511
I don't know.

01:31:08.511 --> 01:31:11.421
Like, why would you, because I've never been inclined to ask that question.

01:31:11.421 --> 01:31:13.131
I've never said to, to ask this person.

01:31:13.131 --> 01:31:13.791
If they're enlightened.

01:31:14.780 --> 01:31:17.631
I guess they're just not integrated enough on the path.

01:31:17.873 --> 01:31:32.934
Yeah, it, it, it's come from, I, I would say it's when you know you're not enlightened, but also there's that added thing of being a keyboard warrior, so you

01:31:33.025 --> 01:31:33.501
I see.

01:31:33.740 --> 01:31:34.190
Mm.

01:31:34.378 --> 01:31:38.003
that question just to kind of catch someone out.

01:31:38.780 --> 01:31:39.230
Yeah.

01:31:39.320 --> 01:31:39.831
Okay.

01:31:40.134 --> 01:31:45.024
And I think, and that's, I mean, it's the most beautiful thing.

01:31:45.743 --> 01:31:50.333
Yet, the most the craziest thing too that can happen.

01:31:51.578 --> 01:31:54.427
you said, even if we were enlightened, it's none of their business.

01:31:54.427 --> 01:31:57.127
'cause once you do say Yeah, I'm enlightened, like it's nothing.

01:31:57.127 --> 01:32:00.427
'cause if you really were, I guess, how else would you answer that question?

01:32:00.427 --> 01:32:01.057
You just say, yeah.

01:32:01.597 --> 01:32:02.438
And you know you are.

01:32:02.948 --> 01:32:03.278
Yeah.

01:32:04.087 --> 01:32:07.717
But then from then on out, you've claimed that you are an enlightened being.

01:32:08.228 --> 01:32:09.908
So if you do something Yeah.

01:32:09.908 --> 01:32:10.807
But they're enlightened.

01:32:10.927 --> 01:32:11.887
They said they're enlightened.

01:32:11.887 --> 01:32:13.568
It's like you could be held against you.

01:32:14.557 --> 01:32:17.287
It's very immature to ask that.

01:32:17.797 --> 01:32:18.938
And it's not useful.

01:32:18.967 --> 01:32:21.037
It's not useful for anybody, you know,

01:32:21.476 --> 01:32:27.506
It, it's like you said, you can tell it from their, their energy and their,

01:32:27.578 --> 01:32:28.207
their vibe.

01:32:28.226 --> 01:32:28.827
teaching.

01:32:28.827 --> 01:32:29.096
Yeah.

01:32:29.101 --> 01:32:38.186
you can just tell from the moment they express something, You feel there's a higher connection of some sort.

01:32:38.186 --> 01:32:42.926
And, um, I think that's all that matters really.

01:32:43.077 --> 01:32:43.617
Um,

01:32:44.018 --> 01:32:44.377
yeah.

01:32:44.557 --> 01:32:45.757
Real recognize real too.

01:32:46.077 --> 01:32:46.556
yeah.

01:32:46.606 --> 01:32:47.087
But yeah.

01:32:47.207 --> 01:32:58.475
Uh, so just to wrap up our conversation, The one thing I definitely want to ask, and I think you've answered it throughout the podcast, but I think you can sum it up nicely.

01:32:58.954 --> 01:33:04.414
Uh, what advice would you give to someone that is searching for spiritual guidance on YouTube today?

01:33:06.595 --> 01:33:07.171
On YouTube.

01:33:07.265 --> 01:33:07.895
Yeah.

01:33:09.421 --> 01:33:11.220
Don't believe everything you see on YouTube.

01:33:13.201 --> 01:33:18.360
Honestly, there's a lot of garbage, for lack of a better word.

01:33:18.360 --> 01:33:21.211
Hopefully not sounding too crude, but there is a lot of garbage.

01:33:21.211 --> 01:33:23.041
There's a lot of pseudo spirituality.

01:33:23.940 --> 01:33:26.461
You gotta sift through it to find the good stuff.

01:33:26.761 --> 01:33:29.161
I like to think I create the good stuff.

01:33:29.161 --> 01:33:30.511
You create the good stuff.

01:33:31.140 --> 01:33:32.161
I like to think so.

01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:34.650
But if you don't resonate, you don't resonate, that's okay.

01:33:35.400 --> 01:33:40.530
But point of story is you have to be able to find what you resonate with.

01:33:40.645 --> 01:33:40.765
I.

01:33:40.905 --> 01:33:44.025
You have to sift through it, you're gonna come across some garbage.

01:33:44.055 --> 01:33:46.935
Some stuff you truly don't resonate with, stuff that makes you go, huh?

01:33:47.206 --> 01:33:58.485
But don't, don't let that discourage you from finding true guidance, because there's real people out there and I didn't know how many real ones I like to call'em, were out there until I started doing the podcast.

01:33:58.485 --> 01:34:06.286
But there's a lot of real people that are really earnest on the path, that don't have a lot of views, and they don't have a lot of subscribers.

01:34:06.916 --> 01:34:07.786
You just gotta find them.

01:34:07.845 --> 01:34:09.286
Like you just, I don't know how to find'em.

01:34:09.286 --> 01:34:10.666
The algorithm throws'em my way.

01:34:10.666 --> 01:34:12.256
Search certain words.

01:34:12.256 --> 01:34:16.185
Look at podcasts, especially look at my podcast if you wanna find some real people.

01:34:17.289 --> 01:34:19.024
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:19.024 --> 01:34:19.025
Yeah.

01:34:19.935 --> 01:34:25.006
And just if you resonate with those, like a certain person or people, stay with them.

01:34:25.365 --> 01:34:28.065
Stay with that and stay with that certain energy, you know?

01:34:28.126 --> 01:34:30.676
Uh, real recognize real, like I said, like attracts like.

01:34:31.006 --> 01:34:35.025
So just go with that and, uh, yeah, that's it.

01:34:35.025 --> 01:34:35.536
I guess.

01:34:35.536 --> 01:34:39.676
Just find what you resonate with, not even just on YouTube, also in books.

01:34:40.051 --> 01:34:46.381
People in your life, all mediums of energy that you bring forth into your life.

01:34:46.860 --> 01:34:52.560
Find that subtle resonance, that subtle whisper of intuition

01:34:53.095 --> 01:34:53.175
Hmm.

01:34:53.430 --> 01:34:55.890
like we said before, and that'll lead the way.

01:34:56.675 --> 01:34:57.284
Beautiful.

01:34:57.600 --> 01:34:57.961
That's all.

01:34:58.430 --> 01:34:58.939
Thank you.

01:34:59.300 --> 01:35:00.380
I thank you Gary.

01:35:00.380 --> 01:35:02.420
it's been wonderful having you here.

01:35:02.689 --> 01:35:06.310
This is my first of this, bearded Mystic Oneness conversations.

01:35:06.310 --> 01:35:07.359
And we are truly one here.

01:35:07.630 --> 01:35:08.864
I mean, you know, I'm.

01:35:10.180 --> 01:35:12.520
I, I've really learnt a lot from you today.

01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:30.819
Some things I think I'm gonna like, kind of really contemplate upon, because the, some of the things we've talked about, especially about poetry and kind of the sounds and language, has really been, has really, really kind of stood out for me today.

01:35:30.819 --> 01:35:44.939
So, uh, thank you for opening up, um, because I, you know, you go through that phase where you stop reading certain things and you think, uh, you kind of, you don't need to read that stuff anymore.

01:35:45.180 --> 01:35:59.033
But I feel like after, uh, speaking with you, I felt that actually maybe I want to revisit some of those poems that I read in the past and, and see how I read them today.

01:35:59.442 --> 01:36:00.167
It's a good idea.

01:36:00.886 --> 01:36:02.716
Always the student, that's what I like to say,

01:36:02.944 --> 01:36:04.265
Yes, absolutely.

01:36:04.396 --> 01:36:05.327
you a recommendation.

01:36:05.806 --> 01:36:09.087
The Upanishads commentary or translation by Aurobindo.

01:36:09.346 --> 01:36:11.296
I was reading this actually before we came in.

01:36:11.645 --> 01:36:12.335
Oh, nice,

01:36:12.862 --> 01:36:20.846
the best translation that I have read, not that I've read, too much, but of I, from what I have read, that is the best translation of the Upanishads.

01:36:21.317 --> 01:36:25.936
Um, yeah, Aurobindo is, he's up there.

01:36:26.386 --> 01:36:29.027
He's, he's a true sage, so I'd recommend that.

01:36:29.225 --> 01:36:29.435
yeah.

01:36:29.465 --> 01:36:30.125
No, thank you.

01:36:30.130 --> 01:36:35.164
And that's, uh, and I'm gonna read that actually, and I'm gonna put that as my next book to read.

01:36:35.685 --> 01:36:42.345
Thank you very much Gary, for coming onto this show, coming on here and sharing your wisdom with us all.

01:36:42.395 --> 01:36:48.430
And those of you that are watching, um, you know, subscribe to the channel, but mainly I.

01:36:48.574 --> 01:36:55.324
Before you even subscribe to mine, subscribe to Gary's channel, which is in the show notes and video description below.

01:36:55.774 --> 01:36:56.555
Thank you everyone.

01:36:56.555 --> 01:36:57.060
Take care.

01:36:57.489 --> 01:36:57.779
Namaste.

01:36:59.202 --> 01:36:59.690
Namaste.

01:37:00.731 --> 01:37:01.162
Thank you.

Gary Lee Haskins

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